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The Pharisees were Jews; had they noticed that Jesus had claimed to be a god, it must ‎have been written also in the book of the Jews? ‎

July 26, 2009

http://thechristianwatershed.com/2009/07/22/a-reply-to-a-muslim-the-deity-and-death-of-‎jesus/‎

Now coming to the second issue:‎

Paarsurrey said:‎

‎“The truth, in my opinion, is that Jesus was not God; he never proclaimed as such, there ‎are no direct quotes from him in this regards. God talked with Jesus and revealed His ‎word on him, He chose Jesus his Messenger/Prophet/Messiah, Jesus was not a son of ‎God.”‎

Joel said:‎

Ah, but He most certainly did make the claim that He was God. Though He never goes ‎throughout ancient Israel saying, “Hey, I’m God,” He does many things and says many ‎things that assert His claim to divinity – and the Pharisees noticed it. Let us look at some ‎of the evidence:‎

Paarsurrey says:‎

Hi fried Joel

Please quote from Jesus; not from what the sinful and unfaithful scribes, who deserted ‎Jesus when he most needed them.Later they sided with Paul who was an enemy of Jesus ‎and his friends. ‎

Jesus never could utter such words that he was a god. You say the Pharisees noticed it; I ‎don’t agree with you. The Pharisees were Jews; had they noticed it, it should have been ‎written also in the book of the Jews? Please quote from Jewish source that the Pharisees ‎noticed it.‎

Jesus denies of this claim as rightly quoted by Quran from Jesus:‎

‎[5:117] And when Allah will say, “O Jesus, son of Mary, didst thou say to men, ‘Take ‎me and my mother for two gods beside Allah?’”, he will answer, “Holy art Thou. I ‎could never say that to which I had no right. If I had said it, Thou wouldst have ‎surely known it. Thou knowest what is in my mind, and I know not what is in Thy ‎mind. It is only Thou Who art the Knower of hidden things.‎
‎[5:118] “I said nothing to them except that which Thou didst command me — ‎‎‘Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them as long as I ‎remained among them, but since Thou didst cause me to die, Thou hast been the ‎Watcher over them; and Thou art Witness over all things.‎
‎[5:119] “If Thou punish them, they are Thy servants; and if Thou forgive them, Thou ‎surely art the Mighty, the Wise.” ‎

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3‎A&ch=5&verse=116‎

God Allah YHWH accounted from Jesus of what the Christians only made up on his ‎behalf; and Jesus denies that he ever claimed to be god or son of god; which is only a ‎mistake of cunning Paul and the Church which followed Paul. It has nothing to do with ‎Jesus, I think.‎

Please tell me if you are from the JWs or the Mormons; kindly do not mind.‎

I love Jesus and Mary.‎

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

“Shaming the Muslims Out of Islam (by Telling the Truth)”

July 24, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/07/22/shaming-the-muslims-out-of-‎islam-by-telling-the-truth/#comment-17678‎

Hi everybody here (on the faithfreedom.org)

I agree with the following comments dated July 23, 2009 of brother jonc

PaarSurrey / IbnSahr:‎
The fact that the 9/11 terrorists were chanting” Allah-akbar!” and waiving Korans when ‎they committed mass murder should not be used per se to condemn Islam.

I remind people that Christian Crusaders cried “Deos Vult!” (=”God wills it”) when they ‎carried out their atrocities as well.

The real question is this:‎

Were the actions of any particular group in accordance with, or in opposition to, the ‎teachings of their religion?

Contrast this with the Crusaders: Had they read the New Testament, they would have ‎found no religious justification for atrocity or brutality and precious little for war itself.

Jonc got it alright; though to some extent.

Thanks jonc

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Even the Catholics/Protestants/JWs/Mormons, viewers of your blog will agree with me ‎that killing of your daughter, even if she is willing, will be a cruel act, for sure

July 24, 2009

Paarsurrey said:

‎“I respect your religion; but I have my own free opinion. I think it to be too cruel for a ‎father (God) to sacrifice/kill his beloved one (son) for others imaginary sins.”

Joel said:

If this were done against the will of Christ, then I would agree that it would be cruel. ‎However, Jesus is part of the Godhead (we’ll get to that), thus as being God He planned ‎on sacrificing Himself from before He even created the world, and as being a person in ‎the Godhead, He willingly went to the cross.


Paarsurrey says
:‎
Hi friend Joel

I ask you a little question; I think you don’t mind. Are you married and have sons and ‎daughter?

I suppose you are married and have a beautiful little baby girl. If she says; papa I am ‎willing, just kill me. Will you kill her? If you kill her; won’t it be a cruel act? I think, it ‎will be a cruel act; so even your own Catholic church will declare it to be cruel.

You will need a very cruel heart to perform this act.

Sorry, it is as simple as that. I think even the Catholics/Protestants/JWs/Mormon viewers ‎of your blog will agree with me on this point.

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

P.S.

I jut now posted these comments on your blog; but they did not get through and got published. Please paste them onto your blog. Thanks

Joseph Smith- inundated by his own thoughts; when he heard somebody say, here is my son, without recognition; he assumed that the speaker was God Allah YHWH and the son was Jesus

June 11, 2009

Paarsurrey says:

“Jesus escaped death on the Cross, he never got alive from the dead, he never ascended to heaven, rather Jesus migrated to India, and he died naturally and peacefuly at the age of about 120 years in India.”

Markparker1 says:

This is not taught in the Old testament, New testament or Book of Mormon or any other Christian scripture, it’s actually opposite to what they testify, the twelve Apostles were eye witnesses, to Christs ressurrection, so were a large group of people who’s testimonies are in the Book of Mormon, and finally Joseph and other LDS apostles and Prophets were also eye witnesses. On top of that the Apostles taught they were witnesses and so too were the Holy Ghost.

Paarsurrey says:

It is well known that the Gospels and other book of the Bible were written with a spcific purpose; not as a statement of facts.

Now; you say that “LDS apostles and Prophets were also eye witnesses”; one wonders as to what sort of eye-witnesses were they; of the event of crucifixion. I think it is just another confirmation that there were factually no witnesses of the event who had witnessed and wrote their testimony.

I think they won’t have the courage to stand on a witnesses stand and face the cross-examination, in a real court of Law.

The LDS, Joseph Smith did not have a converse with God Allah YHWH as one could understand clearly from his First Vision. He was confused and inundated by his own thoughts; when he heard somebody say here is my son without recognition; he assumed that the speaker was God Allah YHWH and the son was Jesus. Such a fragile witnessing!

I respect your faith; you have the right to believe anything you think fit for your believing, there is no compulsion.

I love Jesus and Mary as described in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

If Jesus could be tried by the devil for forty days; Joseph Smith could taste a bit of it or more; please don’t mind

June 11, 2009

Hi friend markparker1

Sorry I don’t agree with you; we can only accept Joseph Smith, if he would have been appointed by God Allah YHWH; his First Vision, all narrations, make it very clear to me that he was never in converse with God Allah YHWH and he was definitely not appointed by God Allah YHWH. He did not meet genuinely with Jesus even; it was only his wishful thinking that he met Jesus.

The questions he asked refelect his narrow approach towards faiths and religions; he asked only of the Churches. Joseph Smith did not know things of the past even, what to speak of the future. He did not know that Jesus escaped death on the Cross, he never got alive from the dead, he never ascended to heaven, rather Jesus migrated to India, and he died naturally and peacefuly at the age of about 120 years in India. Joseph Smith did not know all these things, so his meeting with Jesus was not real.

Joseph Smith mentioned features of Jesus as if he was a young man from Europe, with blue eyes and that; which is commonly held by the people in the West. Jesus was from the Jews of Jerusalem, who have different features. So, he was overwhelmed with the common thoughts of the Christians and inundated by his own thoughts; which might have appeared to him as if real; which was not real, only a reflection of his own self.

If Jesus could be tried by the devil for forty days; Joseph Smith could taste a bit of it or more; please don’t mind. Josepsh Smith admits that he was a sinful person; not like that of Messengers Prophets who were always innocent people, chosen by God Allah YHWH.

Joseph Smith was destined to die like Paul in terms of Deuteronmy; and he was killed by the people.

I respect your faith; yet I have to mention what I believe sincerely.

I love Messengers and Prophets as described in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

The Messengers Prophets are always appointed by God Allah YHWH; a sole discretion of Him; not of Jesus

June 5, 2009

Randall says:

Just to put it out there, Joseph Smith was visited by God the Father and Jesus Christ, and as far as I know, God the Father and Allah are the same being.

Paarsurrey says:

Welcome to visit paarsurrey – a blog for interfaith peaceful discussions.

I would like you to first read my following latest post on Paul and Joseph Smith:

Paul and Joseph Smith claimed they were Messengers/Prophets/Epistles/Apostels of Jesus; so strictly speaking they never legitimately claimed to be Messengers/Prophets/Epistles/Apostels of God Allah YHWH

I would humbly submit the following points in this connection:

1. The Messengers Prophets are always appointed by God Allah YHWH; a sole discretion of Him; Jesus though one of the truthful Messengers Prophets of God like unto Jonah, yet he or anybody else could not and cannot appoint anyone as a Messenger Prophet of God Allah YHWH on behalf of God Allah YHWH. This appointement simply does not fall under the discretion of Jesus. I understand that the cunning Paul and Joseph Smith claimed they were Messengers/Prophets/Epistles/Apostels of Jesus; so strictly speaking they never legitimately claimed to be Messengers/Prophets/Epistles/Apostels of God Allah YHWH in the first place.

2. Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross; he survived against all odds. Jesus migrated to India, after getting cured from the injuries inflicted on the Cross; he is said to have died at the age of 120/125 years, a very natural and respectful death there. Paul claimed in the absence of Jesus when he was in India; so Paul’s claim was not truthful and hence he suffered the destiny as described in Deuteronomy very clearly.

3. Jesus was appointed by God Allah YHWH as Messenger Prophet, hence, he survived a cursed death on Cross; that proves that he was a truthful Messenger Prophets of God Allah YHWH. Joseph Smith was ignorant of all these things; so I think he did not legitimately claimed to be a Messenger Prophet of God Allah YHWH; further he suffered the same fate; he was killed as clearly defined in Deuteronomy. He was ignorant about what happened to Jesus and Paul. Sorry; I cannot accept him as a legitimate claimant.

4. I do not intend to start any bashing of Paul or Joseph Smith; they did whatever they liked to do and I don’t hate them; yet I have to believe things in a straighforward manner; so this is what I bleive very sincerely; a statement of faith of me. Please don’t mind.

Randal my friend!Please keep on visiting and favoring with your valuable comments. Please feel free to express yourself fully here.

I admire the Mormons Christians for their charitable and polite discussions.

You are a nice friend.

I love Jesus and Mary as beautifully and truthfully described in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Cross: Jews wanted to kill an innocent Jesus; that is what exactly the Christian God also wanted to do as per Bible; to kill an innocent Jesus. Who is more cruel?

June 2, 2009

Markparker a Mormen Christian says they do not use Cross as a symbol of their faith.

Markparker says:

I’m a Mormon and we do not use the cross as a symbol on our Christian buildings, some members may wear a cross as jewlery and many other Christian people associate the cross with Christ, and of coarse I would not judge them on that, but I am glad we do not use it. What we have are things like ‘CTR’ rings, ‘CTR’ stands for ‘Choose the right’ so it reminds us to follow always the Lord’s commandments, which I think identifies a diciple of Christ better than any symbol.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Markparker

I am happy to hear that the Mormon Christians don’t use Cross that killed an innocent Jesus as a symbol for their faith. Cross is a symbol of cruelty and terror; better not to use it.

I however respect the Catholics and Prontestants and their faith; it is their right to believe and act as they are truly convinced with.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Moses and his mother.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jehovah’s Witnesses are peaceful Christians as they say; they should be treated humanly

May 2, 2009

http://paulscave.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/how-to-keep-jehovahs-witnesses-from-knocking/

paul8bee says:

How to Keep Jehovah’s Witnesses from Knocking
April 24, 2009 — paul8bee
April 24 2009
Copy the following and tape it to your front door.
**********
Notice from the Property owner
ATTENTION
To all members of the
JEHOVAH’S Witnesses and the MORMONS Groups
You are not welcome at this address
Please leave immediately
Do not knock on any doors, or make any vocal comments, and do not leave any literature behind when you leave.
This is a private property, and as such we have a right to privacy. If you do not respect our rights, we will call the police and charge you with Harassment and trespassing

Paarsurrey says:

I don’t think it is a human and appropriate measure advised to counter the peaceful JWs. They harm nobody. Jesus is said to have advised his disciples to reach out to the other people and spread the message among them. If JWs are doing it their own way; why meet them coldly. If one is busy and has no time, that is another thing, then one could decline politely.

I have never felt embarrassed by them. I have been visiting their Kingdom Hall and attending their service attentively. While they were praying, I did not join them, I remained seated peacefully. They don’t allow any questions in the service except what is written in their Watch Tower Magazine; alright, but I did point out their mistakes in the Watch Tower.

This was until they themselves asked me not to come. There is no need to paste any notice on the door, I think.

I never experienced or heard of any forceful entry into a house by them.

This is my sincere opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim


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