Archive for the ‘Jonah’ Category

Jesus created nothing; he was no god

January 28, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/punishment-for-claimants-of-divinity-in-jews-from-moses/#comment-895#comment-895

paarsurrey Says:
January 28, 2010 at 2:43 pm

Hi friend sch

Now see my friend; how many prophecies of Jesus you have mentioned in your post (which I have described as ocean of words); I have counted them to be 25 in number, if not more. So that makes Jesus a good Prophet Messenger of Creator-God Allah YHWH and that is all.

It proves that Jesus was not a god. Had Jesus been a god; then you would have mentioned things created by Jesus? Jesus did not create anything; everything was as before him.

If you want to prove Jesus to be a creator-god; mention things he created; Jesus did not create anything. Please mention as many things created by Jesus at least 25 of them like Sun, Moon and Earth; not even one of these.

The sign- the biggest one of Jesus, was that of Jonah- the Prophet; not of any god or of the Creator.
I think, now you understand and agree with me.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Jesus in the tomb: Catholics Protestants to count 3 days

January 23, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4725&p=91937#p91937

Nosubmission wrote:

More, Jesus said that the parallelism between Himself and Jonah was confined to the time of stay in a place: 3 days.

Paarsurrey says:

Now please enumerate period of 3 days, as you have mentioned. I am sure no Catholic or Protestant would ever be able to count these three days also.

Paarsurrey wrote after 3, 4 days, as no Catholic Protestant came forward to count the period of 3 days:

Hi friends

No Catholic or Protestant enumerates the period of 3 days; none a witness to it. This was not the essence of Sign of Jonah; the essence was not to die. Jonah did not die in the belly of the fish; so must Jesus not die in the incident of putting him on the Cross. It is easy; the Catholics and Protestant should understand and come out of the hotch potch of Paul and the Church. Why make your religion/faith an absurdity before Atheists Agnostics for nothing?

Jesus was a wise Prophet of the Creator-God Allah YHWH; he and his mother never believed in such absurdities.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

The sign which did not make Jonah a god; how could the same sign make Jesus a god?

January 22, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/jesus-had-no-claim-on-divinity/

Aaron Says:

You quote from the Bible as the source for your answer. That’s great. Do you know what the Bible says concerning the charge made by the Jews against Jesus?

Paarsurrey says:

Since NTBible is neither Word of God nor even a word of Jesus; its authors are anonymous people and have been named Matthew, Mark, John and Luke, just to add some credulity to these gospels; I believe only that statements of NTBible which are not against Quran.

Jesus pegged his biggest sign with Jonah; and Jonah was only a Prophet; for just repeating the same sign which did not make Jonah a god; how could the same sign make Jesus a god? The Catholics and Protestants should ponder over this; if they believe in an iota of reason in the NTBible.

Since you believe in OTBible, please quote the punishment Jews had from Moses for the claimant of divinity?

Perhaps that answers your question also.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Sign of Jonah; the biggest Sign Jesus ever promised showing; could make him maximum a Prophet only and could not add divinity to Jesus

January 22, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/jesus-had-no-claim-on-divinity/#comment-864

Aaron Says:

If Jesus never claimed divinity then what was the charge for which the Jews found Him guilty and deserving of death by crucifixion?

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend aaron

The Jews wanted to kill Jesus for his claim of being a prophet; and Jesus they held to be a false prophet and for this they hanged Jesus to further prove that Jesus was a cursed man also.

In the Old Testament

“If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, ‘Let us follow other gods’ (gods you have not known) ‘and let us worship them,’ you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you” (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NIV).

The penalty for false prophecy, according to the biblical context, is capital punishment (per Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

“But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”

Deuteronomy 21:22-23

22 When a man hath committed a crime for which he is to be punished with death, and being condemned to die is hanged on a gibbet: 23 His body shall not remain upon the tree, but shall be buried the same day: for he is accursed of God that hangeth on a tree: and thou shalt not defile thy land, which the Lord thy God shall give thee in possession.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/05021.htm

Jonah was a Prophet of God Allah YHWH; if Jesus promised Jews to show them Sign of Jonah and he considered it to be his biggest sigh; then Jesus could only be a Prophet and not a god. This also shows that he considered himself to be only a Prophet of God Allah YHWH; and that is why God Allah YHWH saved Jesus life and after that Jesus went to India.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

There is not a single word of hatred in Quran about ‎Jesus and Mary

July 13, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/07/05/is-islam-really-america%e2%80%99s-second-‎largest-religion/‎

‎31. paarsurrey Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 11:29 pm

Hi friend Marie (refer # 30 above)

It is good to know that you are a deist; a believer in God.‎
I only worship God Allah YHWH. I don’t believe that Jesus was god; he was one of the ‎‎perfect men who walked on earth. Mary was also a woman; mother of Jesus who gave ‎‎birth to Jesus very naturally. Jesus did not die on Cross; he survived with the grace of ‎‎God Allah YHWH who always helps His Messengers Prophets , like He saved Jonah as ‎‎Jesus himself mentioned.

After getting saved his life Jesus migrated to India; there he lived upto the age of 120/125 ‎‎years and died there a natural and peaceful death.‎
I don’t understand as to why you should oppose Islam/Quran/Muhammad which mentions ‎‎of Jesus and Mary with love and affection; there is not a single word of hatred about ‎‎Jesus and Mary.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

How could a living Jonah be compared with the dead Jesus, as the Christians incorrectly believe?

June 18, 2009

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah, the Second Coming says:

Let it be noted that though Christians believe that Jesus (peace be on him) after his arrest through the betrayal by Judas Iscariot, and crucifixion — and resurrection — went to heaven, yet, from the Holy Bible, it appears that this belief of theirs is altogether wrong. Matthew (chapter 12, verse 40) says that just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, so the Son of Man shall be three days and three nights in the bowels of the earth.

Now it is clear that Jonah did not die in the belly of the fish; the utmost that happened was that he was in a swoon or a fit of fainting. The holy books of God bear witness that Jonah, by the grace of God, remained alive in the belly of the fish, and came out alive; and his people ultimately accepted him. If then Jesus (on whom be peace) had died in the belly of the ‘fish’, what resemblance could there be between a dead man and the one who was alive, and how could a living one be compared with one dead?

The truth rather is, that as Jesus was a true prophet and as he knew that God, whose beloved he was, would save him from an accursed death, he made a prophecy in the form of a parable, revealed to him by God, in which he hinted that he would not die on the Cross, nor would he give up the ghost on the accursed wood; on the contrary, like the prophet Jonah, he would only pass through a state of swoon.

In the parable he had also hinted that he would come out of the bowels of the earth and would then join the people and, like Jonah, would be honoured by them. So this prophecy too was fulfilled; for Jesus, coming out of the bowels of the earth, went to his tribes who lived in the eastern countries, Kashmir and Tibet, etc. viz. the ten tribes of the Israelites who 721 years1 before Jesus, had been taken prisoner from Samaria by Shalmaneser, King of Assur, and had been taken away by him.

Ultimately, these tribes came to India and settled in various parts of that country. Jesus at all events must have made this journey; for the divine object underlying his advent was that he should meet the lost Jews who had settled in different parts of India; the reason being that these in fact were the lost sheep of Israel who had given up even their ancestral faith in these countries, and most of whom had adopted Buddhism, relapsing, gradually into idolatry.

Dr. Bernier, on the authority of a number of learned people, states in his Travels that the Kashmiris in reality are Jews who in the time of the dispersal in the days of the King of Assur had migrated to this country.2
In any case it was necessary for Jesus (peace be on him) to find out the whereabouts of these lost sheep, who had, on coming to this country, India, become merged into the other people. I shall presently adduce evidence that Jesus (peace be on him) did in fact come to India and then, by stages, travelled to Kashmir, and discovered the lost sheep of Israel among the people who professed the Buddhist faith and that these people ultimately accepted him, just as the people of the prophet Jonah accepted Jonah.

And this was inevitable; for Jesus had said in so many words that he had been sent to the lost sheep of Israel.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html

Jesus was only one of God’s created men and with a Message from God Allah YHWH; like was Noah or Jonah; Jesus never asked anyone to worship him or to pray from him

June 5, 2009

Yourbrotherinchrist says:

Thank you for inviting me to read today’s message and post a response. Please let me know if ever I can support you in prayer in any way. Though you have not accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you are still my family, and I love you. More importantly and wonderfully, Jesus loves you. He will be waiting for you with open arms should you ever decide to turn to Him.

Have a wonderful and blessed rest of the day.

Your brother in Christ,

Rev Jason Thurwanger

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend yourbrotherinchrist

You are always welcome to pray for me; best wishes of my friends make me happy.

While praying for me, please pray to the ONE to whom Jesus used to pray to; i.e God Allah YHWH. Jesus was only one of his created men and with a Message from God Allah YHWH; like were Noah or Jonah.

I seek love of God Allah YHWH; you can pray for me that He gets pleased with me and makes me near to Him.
I think that would do.

Nice responding me; may God Allah YHWH bless you!

I love Jesus and Mary as beautifully and truthfully described in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

One can view full comments/post of yourbrotherinchrist by accessing:

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/jesus-went-from-one-country-to-another-and-at-nightfall-wherever-he-was-he-used-to-eat-the-vegetation-of-the-jungle-and-to-drink-pure-water/#comments

Jesus of Bible is hardly above the status of Adam; nevertheless both Adam and Jesus were innocent and perfect men

June 1, 2009

Maaark says:

I wonder what Muslims believe about perfection? Do you believe there are perfect people?

Paarsurrey says:

Yes, we Ahmadi peaceful Muslims do believe that all Messengers Prophets of God Allah YHWH were perfect persons; like Noah, Moses, Jonah and John the Baptist.

One such person was Adam whom Jesus adopted as his father; Jesus of Bible frequently said that he was Son of Man or Son of Adam. Jesus of Bible is hardly above the status of Adam; nevertheless both Adam and Jesus were innocent and perfect men.

I love Jesus, Adam, Moses, Noah, Jonah, John the Baptist as illustrated in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus could not and did not die on Cross; for it was stated in the Holy Book that whoever was hanged on the wood was accursed

May 16, 2009

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah, Second Coming says:

Let it be noted that though Christians believe that Jesus (peace be on him) after his arrest through the betrayal by Judas Iscariot, and crucifixion — and resurrection — went to heaven, yet, from the Holy Bible, it appears that this belief of theirs is altogether wrong. Matthew (chapter 12, verse 40) says that just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, so the Son of Man shall be three days and three nights in the bowels of the earth. Now it is clear that Jonah did not die in the belly of the fish; the utmost that happened was that he was in a swoon or a fit of fainting.

The holy books of God bear witness that Jonah, by the grace of God, remained alive in the belly of the fish, and came out alive; and his people ultimately accepted him. If then Jesus (on whom be peace) had died in the belly of the ‘fish’, what resemblance could there be between a dead man and the one who was alive, and how could a living one be compared with one dead? The truth rather is, that as Jesus was a true prophet and as he knew that God, whose beloved he was, would save him from an accursed death, he made a prophecy in the form of a parable, revealed to him by God, in which he hinted that he would not die on the Cross, nor would he give up the ghost on the accursed wood; on the contrary, like the prophet Jonah, he would only pass through a state of swoon.

In the parable he had also hinted that he would come out of the bowels of the earth and would then join the people and, like Jonah, would be honoured by them. So this prophecy too was fulfilled; for Jesus, coming out of the bowels of the earth, went to his tribes who lived in the eastern countries, Kashmir and Tibet, etc. viz. the ten tribes of the Israelites who 721 years1 before Jesus, had been taken prisoner from Samaria by Shalmaneser, King of Assur, and had been taken away by him. Ultimately, these tribes came to India and settled in various parts of that country.

Jesus at all events must have made this journey; for the divine object underlying his advent was that he should meet the lost Jews who had settled in different parts of India; the reason being that these in fact were the lost sheep of Israel who had given up even their ancestral faith in these countries, and most of whom had adopted Buddhism, relapsing, gradually into idolatry. Dr. Bernier, on the authority of a number of learned people, states in his Travels that the Kashmiris in reality are Jews who in the time of the dispersal in the days of the King of Assur had migrated to this country.2

In any case it was necessary for Jesus (peace be on him) to find out the whereabouts of these lost sheep, who had, on coming to this country, India, become merged into the other people. I shall presently adduce evidence that Jesus (peace be on him) did in fact come to India and then, by stages, travelled to Kashmir, and discovered the lost sheep of Israel among the people who professed the Buddhist faith and that these people ultimately accepted him, just as the people of the prophet Jonah accepted Jonah. And this was inevitable, for Jesus had said in so many words that he had been sent to the lost sheep of Israel.

Apart from this, it was necessary that he should escape death on the cross, for it was stated in the Holy Book that whoever was hanged on the wood was accursed. It is a cruel and an unjust blasphemy to attribute a curse to an eminent person like Jesus, the Messiah, for, according to the agreed view of all who know the language, la’nat, or curse, has reference to the state of one’s heart.

A man would be said to be accursed when his heart, having been estranged from God, becomes really dark; when, deprived of divine mercy and of divine love, devoid absolutely of His Knowledge, blinded like the devil, he becomes filled with the poison of unbelief; when there remains not a ray of divine love and knowledge in him; when the bond of loyalty is broken, and between him and God there arises hatred and contempt and spite and hostility, so much so that God and he become mutual enemies; and when God becomes weary of him and he becomes weary of God; in short, when he becomes an heir to all the attributes of the Devil — and that is why the Devil himself is called accursed.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html

Would Noah or Moses or Jonah doubt God with whom they were in conversation with and it required no witnesses? Jesus was no different.

May 3, 2009

paul8bee says:

How are you?

I try not to get too caught up in religious theory. There is just too so much theory around that it tends to confuse people more than it enlightens them. I consider myself to be a Theologist; this means that I would be a fool to join in any organized religion. I study Truth, not Dogma.
The truth should be plain and simple to understand.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend paul8bee

May God Allah YHWH bless you!

I am fine with the grace of Allah.

I am OK, with if you are a Theologist; I am just an ordinary man in the street. I love a person and his company who follows the truth and not the Dogma. I agree that the truth should be plain and simple to understand as it is for the benefit of the masses; Jesus was such a truthful person until Paul hijacked his teachings and acts and complicated everything with his own Theological Philosophy to his own benefit, it is another thing that God punished Paul for his wrongs in terms of Deuteronomy.

The Message of God Allah YHWH received through truthful Messengers Prophets has always been very simple; one could see this message in the life accounts of Noah or Moses or Jonah. One could observe it oneself. They received Word from God in a simple one to one basis, needing no witnesses, as that tantamount to doubts. Would Noah or Moses or Jonah doubt with who they were in conversation? Jesus was also one like that.

It is the Church who created false Witnesses. One could ask the scribes what and why they were witnessing. If they had not born; would that had effected the truthfulness of Jesus? Jesus never needed cunning Paul or the sinful scribes as witnesses. God Allah YHWH had selected Jesus and he was sufficient for the witnessing and support. This is very simple to understand.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran and not as presented by Paul or the sinful scribes.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim