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Can Jesus or anybody else be “Fully Human and Fully Devine, please?

September 1, 2022

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?


Thread on ” Fully Human and Fully Devine “

(Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah never claimed to be “Fully Human and Fully Devine “, please. Right?
If yes, then kindly quote from him in this connection, please. Right?
Isn’t it a silly accusation made against (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah by the Hellenist-Pauline Christianity people, please? Right?


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Jesus was just one picture of the One-True-God

April 9, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

APR 09, 2014 @ 10:27:16

@MyGoatyBeard ; MAR 21, 2014 @ 18:24:09
“But I think Jesus is the best picture of God that we can have”

Jesus was just one picture of the One-True-God (I don’t mean from god here trinity or jesus); there were many pictures and Jesus was just one of them.


Instead of changing themselves as per Jesus; Christians change Jesus according to their wishes

March 13, 2014

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MAR 13, 2014 @ 12:15:40

@MyGoatyBeard: MAR 11, 2014 @ 22:33:06, MAR 13, 2014 @ 07:13:29

In response to :[But Paarsurrey is happy to quote the verses from Matthew that he likes, but doesn’t respond to the other verses I mention in Matthew that speak of Jesus:-
1. being worshipped. . . . . . . .Matthew 15:25]

Paarsurrey says:

Christians should follow acts and deeds of Jesus; he introduced no new form of worship; he and his mother Mary never went to a Church; they used to go in the synagogues and followed what was done there. Jews worship none but Yahweh as told by Moses in the OT.

Christians of different denominations are used to changing the text of the Bible and they make it to suit to their beliefs:

Matthew 15:25

21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”
23Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”
24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
25The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.
26He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”
27“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”
28Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.
21 aJesus went away from there, and withdrew into the district of bTyre and bSidon.
22 And a Canaanite woman from that region came out and began to cry out, saying, “Have mercy on me, Lord, aSon of David; my daughter is cruelly bdemon-possessed.”
23 But He did not answer her a word. And His disciples came and implored Him, saying, “Send her away, because she keeps shouting1at us.”
24 But He answered and said, “I was sent only to athe lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
25 But she came and abegan 1to bow down before Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”
26 And He answered and said, “It is not 1good to take the children’sbread and throw it to the dogs.”
27 But she said, “Yes, Lord; 1but even the dogs feed on the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”
28 Then Jesus said to her, “O woman, ayour faith is great; it shall be done for you as you wish.” And her daughter was healed 1at once.

There is no mention of any worship in Matthew 15:25.

Instead of changing their beliefs and making them in conformity with the core teachings of Jesus and Moses and the prophets; they change Jesus and try to shape him as per their wishes.


History and or science cannot even together confer on Jesus godhead or son-ship of god

March 11, 2014

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MAR 11, 2014 @ 12:09:43

@unkleE: MAR 11, 2014 @ 02:12:43

“I think we can have reasonable confidence in their conclusions, just as we can have reasonable confidence in the conclusions of scientists.” Unquote

I think it is knowledge through Revelation which primarily guides us in the ethical, moral and spiritual realms. History or science cannot make a mortal one an Immortal one. Even if there would be persons who rely on history or science as a perfect guide; and they say with consensus, they cannot make one a god.

So with reasonable confidence by which you mean a controversial simple majority ,it can guide us little in such prime issue of Christianity as to confer on Jesus godhead or son-ship of god which even Jesus did not claim in a very straightforward manner; I think it would be most unwise.

And it is against the core teachings of Jesus; why go against him to make him a god or son of god?


Christians should accept core teachings of Jesus

March 10, 2014

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MAR 10, 2014 @ 22:38:22

@unkleE:MAR 08, 2014 @ 23:33:33
“Do I take it from your answer that you don’t accept what the scholars say about history and Jesus?” Unquote

Hi unkleE

I think it is a strange question.

History is not 100% truthful, as you know; there are always scholars differing with other scholars of history.

If the Christians don’t accept what they believe to be Jesus’ (their god or son of god) words expressing his own core teachings where he quoted and referred to OT, Moses, and prophets; how they think others would accept what lesser scholars have written about history and Jesus?

Moreover history is not written only in Europe that Jesus never visited; history is also written in other countries where Jesus and Mary and other disciples of Jesus actually visited. Will that be acceptable to you? Please.

To believe in history or scholars of history is not a prime article of faith or a pillar of faith of Islam:

Articles of Faith

• Unity of God
• His Angels
• His Books
• His Prophets
• The Last Day
• Divine Decree

Five Pillars of Islam

• Kalima
• Prayer
• Fasting
• Zakaat
• Hajj

Is believing in history or scholars of history the prime tenet of Christianity?

I don’t think so

Thanks and regards

Do you believe in Jesus? Jesus god ,son of god; I don’t believe in

March 9, 2014

Paarsurrey wrote answer to a question on hubpages; the viewers could express their valuable opinions.

Question: Do you believe the stories about him and his life?

paarsurrey says:
@ Cristale

I don’t believe in Jesus god or son of god; as that has never existed. Jesus son of Mary (a perfect) human being had existed; his life account, if truthful, should be believed and those found not truthful, should not be believed.


@ tigerbaby777

I am only arguing in favor of Jesus when I say he was not god and or son of god as Jesus himself defined his core teachings:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Matthew 22:36-40…

Christians! Please follow Jesus and Jesus’ core teachings; instead of following sinful Paul who promoted Jesus to the status of literal and physical god, son of god, only out of revenge.
Would you prefer sinful Paul over Jesus? Please

“They are leaving the church to preserve their faith”

March 8, 2014

Paarsurrey visited the following blog and found an interesting post on the topic “Exiting the Building does not mean Leaving the Community”:

“Thinking Out Loud”
“Exiting the Building does not mean Leaving the Community”

paarsurrey: March 8, 2014 at 11:21 am
@JudahFirst :March 5, 2014

I am not a Christian; I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.
I think the title of the post would have been better;
“They are leaving the church to preserve their faith”.

I enjoyed visiting here.

Thanks and regards

Why history does not support Christians?

March 8, 2014

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MAR 08, 2014 @ 16:50:43

History is written by humans of the humans; there is only One-True-God so there is no history of any god; if one insists then one’s concept is definitely a human construct; with Christianity believing Jesus as literal or physical god or literal or a literal physical son of god, then it is a brain-child of sinful Paul; a construct of Paul’s.
With the Renaissance in the West the Westerners realized of this reality and since the Christians insisted on the godhead of Jesus so the Westerners started denying that there was no God implying deeply that Jesus was not a god or son of god; and they also denied any historicity of Jesus altogether.

This is how Christianity started giving space to Atheism etc; or losing ground to them.

I have observed on internet discussions that some Christians who were previously Atheists have reverted to Theism but they don’t defend Christianity anymore; instead they attack the unreasonableness of Atheism etc; and they are good at it.
If one denies the core teachings of Jesus (Moses and prophets) as elaborated in my previous comments; then a Christian has to leave NT Bible and in distress they come to history which also does not support them for the reasons above mentioned.
MAR 09, 2014 @ 22:10:38

@One Skeptic : MAR 07, 2014 @ 20:11:27

“I have always wondered why Paul never sought out Mary?”

Jesus went out of Judea and out of the jurisdiction of the Roman Empire lest he is caught again by the Jews and hanged again. He took his mother Mary along with him. Paul must have known it; but he won’t tell it lest he is exposed.

It is reported that during Jesus’ journey to India, Mary died in the way towards Kashmir and is said to be buried at Murree, a hillstation near Islamabad Pakistan.

The name Murree is after the name of Mary the mother of Jesus; one may Google for it and read so many entries on it.


Jesus did not die on the Cross: so “Christianity” in vain

March 7, 2014

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MAR 07, 2014 @ 21:32:03

Further to my post of MAR 07, 2014 @ 12:28:48 ; I have to state that only sinful Paul knew of his own own fabrication; it is for this that he had to admit:

14and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.…

So that is the focal point to be discussed here; if Jesus did not die on the Cross then Christianity the invention of Paul is in vain. Then Jesus’ core teachings become clear for those who have been trapped into believing Jesus was god or son of god; into the reality that there is only One-True-God and none else; and trinity is nothing else but idolatrous; it was neither believed by Jesus, nor by Moses, nor by the prophets as declared by Jesus himself unambiguously.

Jesus did not know it; blind–faith and wrong interpretation of the Christians made Jesus god and or son of god

March 5, 2014

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MAR 05, 2014 @ 21:55:04

@One Skeptic:MAR 04, 2014 @ 23:04:14
“Faith and interpretation. Not evidence and not fact.” Unquote

I think it would be more correct to say that it is blind –faith and wrong interpretation of the Christians that they following Paul and the Church and make Jesus a god or son of god against express core teachings of Jesus and Moses and the prophets of the OT. Jesus would love to worship the One-True-God and abhor anything against it.

Quran mentions it:

[4:172] O People of the Book, exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah and a fulfilment of His word which He sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not ‘They are three.’ Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Far is it from His Holiness that He should have a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a Guardian.
[4:173] Surely, the Messiah will never disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor will the angels near unto God; and whoso disdains to worship Him and feels proud, He will gather them all to Himself.


MAR 05, 2014 @ 22:05:27

@One Skeptic:MAR 05, 2014 @ 10:43:07

I agree with you.

The Catholic Encyclopedia mentions that the gospels were written by some anonymous scribes; and that these were named after the disciples of Jesus only to add credence for the public.

Matthew might have been unaware as to what has been written in his name by Paul and or the Church.


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