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Jesus remained on Earth till his natural death

April 22, 2013

Bryan Says:

Mormon’s believe that Jesus went to America. Call me skeptical but I think these are instances where other religions want “Jesus” to “rubber stamp” their own beliefs. Why should I believe Jesus went to India rather than to America after his life in Israel?

Paarsurrey says:

I don’t understand your stance.

Simply if Mormons claim that Jesus went to America does not make their claim right. You have to look into the arguments one gives. If there are people who say that Jesus went to other places after the event of crucifixion in which he survived and was delivered in a near dead-position; that proves that Jesus did not ascend to the heavens; he remained on Earth till his natural death.

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Crucifix – a sign of idolatory

April 22, 2013

Bryan Says in his comments:

I never heard anyone say that the cross became the symbol of Christianity because Christians liked the shape of the cross and also wanted to have an idol to look at and worship that more than what it stands for. On the other hand I think the commandment against graven images could apply to crucifix’s because Jesus is on them, and they are mainly worn by Catholic Christians that also venerate saints and Mary unduly in my opinion. So there is a flirting with idolatry but I think and hope of most of them “they know not what they do.” I don’t wear a cross myself and personally don’t know many Christians that do.

Paarsurrey says:

Showing Jesus hanging on the Cross makes one sentimental; so it should not be shown publicly in the Churches and worn by its followers.

I appreciate your gesture of not wearing it though.

Since Jesus did not die on the Cross and was delivered from the cross alive (though near-dead); and later he travelled to India along-with Mary the mother and other many disciples. There is no point in demonstrating crucifix of Jesus.

Ceremony at Cana; was it feast of Jesus’ marriage with Mary Magdalene?

April 16, 2013

There are people who believe that Mary Magdalene was a wife of Jesus. And they say that the phenomenon of increasing of wine or turning water into wine was the event of Jesus marriage with Mary Magdalene. I don’t think that Jesus ever drank wine though.

I once read something of which I don’t have a reference now that she also joined Jesus in his travels towards India and the neighboring countries when he had to migrate from Judea after the event of crucifixion, in which he survived. They say that during the travels she died in Quetta and is buried there; maybe Marri tribe is after her name.

Jesus later married to other women also in India. One Pashtun tribe named Issa Khel or sons of Issa or Jesus is said to be from his off-spring. Jesus also got married in Kashmir; there are people in Srinagar who say that they are from his lineage; after all Jesus was a male human being and there was no restriction on him from his Jewish tradition not to marry. Jesus was not a Christian. Jesus was not a god or son of god; he was just a human being; so there should be no surprise in his getting married and having children.

Of course one has to make a search or research to believe or not to believe in a thing.

Footprints of Jesus tell Jesus real story

April 15, 2013

Jesus photo shrowd of Turin

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Like I said earlier; Jesus son of Mary was a real and factual person, his footprints on the planet Earth cannot be forgotten. It is very unfortunate that as his real person moved out of Judea to India the facts about Jesus also moved with him there; while a fictional story moved with Paul to Rome via a made-up vision.

I respect the Christians and their blind-faith in Paul’s Christianity; they have a right to believe in anything they want to, out of their own free-will; yet they have also a right to know the facts of Jesus, a real human being, son of the Virgin Mary, this right also cannot be denied to them. They cannot be kept blindfolded by the Church who holds the legacy of Paul; of course none of Jesus.

Jesus moved to India; there were no cameras in those days; but as I told the mother Earth preserved prints of his feet carved in stone in Kashmir, India; in the tomb where he is buried.

The feet of Jesus tell Jesus’ real story.

To know more about the story of Jesus from Judea to India one could view the following link:

http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm

When Jesus came to India!

April 5, 2013
Soumitra Chatterjee and Aparna Sen on the sets of The Unknown Story of the Messiah. Picture by Aranya Sen

Soumitra Chatterjee and Aparna Sen on the sets of The Unknown Story of the Messiah. Picture by Aranya Sen

From the daily Telegraph of India

1. “Subhrajit Mitra’s The Unknown Story of the Messiah lives off the popular alternative theory that Jesus had travelled to India after crucifixion, along with Mother Mary, studied Hinduism and Buddhism, and died in Kashmir where he was entombed.”

2. “My docu-feature is an assimilation of all these myths and stories,’ says Subhrajit, aware that his work will kick up a controversy. ‘There is so much supporting evidence in favour of this theory in the Hindu and Buddhist scriptures and the courtroom records of Indian kings. There are references in the Quran too. But no scientific work has been done on this as yet’ .’ ”

RESHMI SENGUPTA
http://forums.about.com/ab-hinduism/messages?lgnF=y&msg=1417.1
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050922/asp/calcutta/story_5267480.asp

A matter of research for those who have an open mind.

Bleeding obvious that Jesus death did not occur on the Cross

March 31, 2013

Paarsurrey says:

I appreciate your post.

It is bleeding obvious that Jesus death did not occur on the Cross.

Jews did try to kill Jesus on the cross and put him on it but Jesus was delivered from it in near-dead position.

What happened to Jesus is mentioned in the Fifth Gospel; according to it Jesus travelled to India and later died there after a long life of about 120 years; one may like to access the following link:

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/may2006/fifth_gospel.html

The Tomb of Yuz-Asaph

The Tomb of Yuz-Asaph is situated in Anzimar, Khanyar, Srinagar, the summer capital of Kashmir. Srinagar, which means the city of the sun, is an ancient city. It is divided into parts, i.e. the old city and the new city and the tomb is situated in the old city. The people of Kashmir call it Roza-bal, meaning the site of the tomb, and declare that it is a tomb of Yuz-Asaph. This prophet came to Kashmir 1000 years ago, and preached the same parables of Christ.189 Popular local to tradition connects it with the tomb of Jesus Christ.190 Some say it is the tomb of the Prophet of “the people of the Book.”191

http://www.martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/may2006/fifth_gospel.html

A good point of research indeed

an autodidact meets a dilettante...

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I actually don’t mind a day off from pubs, restaurants, shops and, of course, work, on one day of the year – holidays, days of chillaxin every now and then are well worth having – the ancient Romans loved em I hear – but to commemorate the putative crucifixion of someone who, as the incomprehensible narrative goes – died for our sins, or that we might be set free or have eternal grace, because he was a god or the son thereof but at the same time a human being or a symbol of all the sufferings of humanity and so on and on, well I get a little resentful of having that sort of shite imposed on me. So I’m just wondering, as this country’s Christian religiosity diminishes day by day, how much longer the good Friday saga will last. At least this morning’s ABC news breakfast program was…

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Paul spoiled Jesus’ true teachings

March 19, 2010

Paul spoiled Jesus’ true teachings to avenge his obvious enmity

hvtbintl69 Says:

I understand your beliefs but what are they based upon? The evidence? Of course Mary/Jesus they never celebrated Easter. Jesus was the originator.
There is no evidence that Jesus survived the cross nor is there any evidence that he died in Kashmir years later. Nothing in archaeology or scripture verifies it.
Jesus was dead on the cross, his friends put him into the tomb due to the oncoming Sabbath not any kind of conspiracy with the Romans. No removal occurred.
Thanks

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend hvtbintl69

If Jesus would have been the originator of the Easter, the annual feast of the Christians; he must have celebrated it himself. In fact Jesus was not founder of the “Christianity”; it was Paul who founded “Christianity”:

1. Paul only used Christ’s name as a scapegoat

2. to spread his own (Paul’s) Theology invented at Rome

3. and also to take revenge from Jesus who had escaped death on Cross

4. by spoiling Jesus’ true teachings

5. and who (Jesus) had gone out of the reach of Paul who was a dead enemy of Jesus and his friends.

Jesus had nothing to do with Christianity of Paul and the Church.

I have given numerous proofs to that effect in my posts in my blog; you or other Christians of 32000+ denominations are welcome to refute them if you like, with your reasonable, rational and logical argument. I don’t think Christians could refute them. It is an inter-faith discussion blog; everybody is welcome to join the discussions opened by me in my posts. I respect all the 32000+ denominations of the Christians. Even JWs or Mormons who declare to be the only true Christians are welcome here. Everybody is invited to join the discussion.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

“JESUS DID NOT DIE WHILST ON THE CROSS”

February 12, 2010

Courtesy: richarddawkins discussion forum; I give hereunder a good post on the above topic.

http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=109343

Postby oombuddah » Fri Feb 12, 2010 3:26 pm
Christians:

It makes sense because Jesus was only put on for a few hours! Even Josephus’ best mate survived the cross after days and days.

To worry your position even more, there is a scholarly work which shows that people would die between 3-7 days on hanging on the cross.

There is an evolution of the descriptions of torture, it looks like the latests gospels try to intensify the others.
Jesus was fed antiseptic.

Jesus was annointed with healing herbs.
No one knows the cause of his death – not even the doctors, but it is obvious that there is no cause of his death because if you look at it from a scientific viewpoint, it is in fact very unlikely that he did die in the first place.

Sure, they all agree he died but on what basis? They are looking at the evangelized accounts of his “scourging”.
Jesus was put into a roomy tomb where he can breathe.
Gosp. of John SPEAR THRUST – Raymond Brown said it was an insertion to prove docetists wrong. Biblical scholars agree that this spear thrust is extremely unlikely and UNHISTORICAL.
Jesus cried to be saved from death. God heard him.

They were professional executioners, but they aren’t always right – they are not scientists like today, try going to the point of drowning, you are unconscious for so long – it’s quite a similar phenomenon in a few ways. You are assumed dead.

Remember what happened to Paul? So many people thought he was dead, not just 2 or 3. But he got up and walked away.
It is so clear that if you analyse the science, Jesus did not die on the cross.

Pliny the Elder even had a big ass moan in his works saying that it is hard to determine when someone is actually dead or not!
Doctors who have said that Jesus died on the cross had took every single account in Mark, Matthew, Luke and John literally – Just remember that.

You would be assuming that Jesus had died on the cross. Its nothing more than an assumption. Christians know that.
They base their salvation on something which is assumed to be a miracle. They are doing half the miracle by assuming it’s a miracle.
We all know, there’s no point of me even reiterating this but hey, antiseptics have such an effect, that it can cause one to swoon.

As for guards at the tomb:

how do we know they were there? No one was there to witness the guards at the tomb – Dr. William Lane Craig and other top Christian scholars agree that the guards at the tomb are “Probably Not Historical” and could have come about from shouting matches in the form of oral traditions (to try and disprove the idea that Jesus got up and walked away with his normal body) which were then put in the gospels.

Raymond Brown, one of the top Christian scholar of our present time believes that Jesus appeared once to the disciples in which he said NOTHING. Then vanished.

There’s two ways of approaching this issue naturalistically:

1. Jesus appeared to the disciples in his human form, he disguised himself so he doesn’t get caught by the Jews, the disciples doubted it was Jesus whom they saw – the gospels attest to this idea (to back my point up).

2. Visions of Jesus – either naturalistic visions or visions granted by God – which is supported in Islamic tradition.

The thing about visionary appearances is that visions can be seen, felt and spoken too, even hugged. They can be viewed by masses of people. For example, Virgin Mary. Dr. Bart Ehrman argues in a recent debate that the resurrection appearances are visions.

Type this in on Youtube:

Virgin Mary appears to +500,000 people in Egypt!!

So appearances to the 11 really doesn’t mean anything much when Mary appears to 000’s
Did she really appear? I don’t think so, but they are adamant that she did.

Doesn’t the visionary body seem exactly the same as a resurrected body to you? I should think so.

I would also like to ask you, don’t you think Pilate would want to spare Jesus? Don’t you think the Roman centurions would seriously want to spare Jesus?

So here you are, the resurrection is disputed and surprisingly can be explained away very credibly, naturalistically.

You would need to prove that he died in the first place which is a total assumption.

How can the disciples tell a resurrected body and a visionary body which can be seen, touched, spoken to and hugged? They haven’t seen anything of a ‘resurrected nature’ before, so even if they did give firm testimony of the type of resurrection that some Christians try to prove (bodily), is this firm testimony really accurate? Of course not , only by assumption is it accurate. To assume a miracle is to assume salvation.

Look at the description of Jesus’ beating, and compare that to the other gospels (by the way, top christian and non christian scholars agree that Mark is a source of Matthew and Luke, and that Matthew and Luke evangelize and also just add extra info on Mark). The description of the beatings in Luke and Matthew are far greater than the descriptions of the beatings in Mark.
Jesus’ legs were not broken – a method done to ensure a quick death AND to ensure that if people are put into a tomb, they don’t ESCAPE!

Pilate was ABSOLUTELY SHOCKED and DOUBTED when he heard Jesus had died SO EARLY. The centurion went to check and looked at him – he didn’t know for sure obviously, but he said that he died.

(I am an Ex-Christian Convert to Islam, I have tried my best to minimize bias towards my particular belief – Jesus swooned). But it makes sense naturalistically right?

Dr. Richard Carrier believes that the resurrection appearances was based on an assumption from looking at Isaiah 53.
Even if Jesus was to remain alive, because they saw him, they would assume he resurrected from the dead anyway lol

Isaiah 53 Suffering servant = ISRAEL! NOT JESUS!

“How old was Jesus Christ when he died?”

February 11, 2010

Paarsurrey edits/revises the answer.
Courtesy: wiki.answers.com

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_old_was_Jesus_Christ_when_he_died&action=edit

We do not know for sure the exact age of Jesus when He was crucified, but He was probably 33 years old.

Here is the argument. Jesus was baptized which means he was not a “Christian”. But the reason He was baptized was to “fulfill all righteousness,” (Matt. 3:15); Jesus never mentioned that reason, Matthew was not innocent, so could be wrong.

He had to fulfill the legal requirements for entering into the priesthood after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 5:8-10; 6:20); that would have made Jesus a Jew; not a “Christian god”.

Priests offered sacrifice to God on behalf of the people. Jesus became a sacrifice for our sin (1 Pet. 2:24; 2 Cor. 5:21); if we would have sinned ; what our sins had to do with Jesus’ sacrifice or to any priest.

To be consecrated as a priest, Jesus had to be: 1) washed with water – baptism – (Lev. 8:6; Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:16). 2) Anointed with oil – the Holy Spirit – (Lev. 8:12; Exodus 29:7; Matt. 3:16).

Jesus was a Christian god; if he was innocent he need do any such thing. Additionally, He may have needed to be 30 years old, Num. 4:3, “from thirty years and upward, even to fifty years old, all who enter the service to do the work in the tent of meeting.” Therefore we can conclude that Jesus began His earthly ministry at the age of 30. Since it went on for 3 1/2 years before Jesus was crucified, it is safe to say that He was 33 at the time of His death Jesus (the man) was crucified at the age of 33.

Jesus was though put on Cross, yet he was delivered in near-dead position.

• I’d say he was 24 at best.

• There are some Muslim traditions which say Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in Sirinagar, Kashmir, India, at the age of 120/125 years.

• Scholars estimate he was born 2-7 BCE and died 26-36 BCE. The Scholar are human beings; they should revise their estimates.
• Keep in mind, 2,000 years ago the average life-expectancy was less than 20; even then people could live well beyond an old age.

he was not 33 years old they don’t know exactly what was the age and it don’t say that in the bible

Since the Bible is specific about time, Christ would have been 33 1/2 years old when He was crucified, or 33 yrs., 6 mos.

Bible is not a sound source of history. The scriptures tell us that He died on Passover, so by using simple math, we can count BACKWARDS 6 mos. from Passover (roughly the middle of March) and determine His date of birth also, roughly the middle of September…Well, the scriptures could be wrong, the are supposed to be written by faulty human beings.

This last entry is pretty accurate; but remember: he also had an earthly existence for some 33 & a half years and also a heavenly preexistence before he came to live as a man on earth, and starting out life as a human baby. He is referred to in the Holy Scriptures as: “the first born of creation, and the son of God.”It is wrong to say Jesus was first born; physically. All things were created through him after he came to be. “I came to be a master worker along side my Father…..” Given that understanding, Jesus would have to be many millions of years, and probably billions of years old. No wonder he was so wise!

Meditating on these facts as we know them from the bible will help us understand the meaning of him being a mighty god, but not almighty God; god Jesus never was and he never claimed to be as such literally.

He is the son of God, an actual direct creation of God; Jesus was not a son of God; also, this is only possible if Mary was a wife of God; since that was not the case; Jesus could not be son of God literally. Therefore he is not God. He is the image of God, figuratively yes, as we would say a son is the image of his father. Yet a son is not in reality the father. Therefore the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit are one in purpose, but not three parts of one entity.

We don’t have to use this terminology cooked by Paul; it is a faulty terminology The Father, or God, the Creator, was most commonly known by the name of Jehovah. Some refer to him from the Hebrew as YHWH, and think it is wrong to utter God’s name aloud. What is wrong is ‘to utter God’s name in vain.’ We are to say His name with reverence and deep respect. Jesus model prayer referred to or known as ‘the Lord’s prayer’ says: “Let your name be sanctified,” or “Hallowed be thy name.”

I have made some changes; for more accuracy the editors should read the book “Jesus in India” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_old_was_Jesus_Christ_when_he_died&action=edit

I thank wiki.answers, for giving an opportunity to me to revise the article.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Jesus never died a cursed death on Cross; he survived

January 30, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4701&p=93256#p93256

Brendalee wrote:

Please point me to the contemporary documents from Jesus’ time, that tell the story of Jesus going off to India so I may read it for myself

I love Isa and Miriam as mentioned in Bible

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Brendalee

Please read the book “Jesus in India” written by the Second Coming, the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 by accessing Ahmadiyya Official Website> library> books> Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. It is available online; please google for it.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks