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“Is there an answer to Islamic terrorism? “

October 30, 2017

Thread: “Is there an answer to Islamic terrorism? ”
Can we defend ourselves?

Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Current Events

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paarsurrey1 wrote:
m—o wrote:
Take verse 5:33 which I quoted…

Please select one verse and quote it with the verses in the context as requested.

He already picked one verse, why does it matter who provide the context? If you think the context will resolve it, why not provide it yourself?

“If you should raise your hand against me to kill me – I shall not raise my hand against you to kill you. Indeed, I fear Allah, Lord of the worlds.
Indeed I want you to obtain [thereby] my sin and your sin so you will be among the companions of the Fire. And that is the recompense of wrongdoers.
And his soul permitted to him the murder of his brother, so he killed him and became among the losers.
Then Allah sent a crow searching in the ground to show him how to hide the disgrace of his brother. He said, “O woe to me! Have I failed to be like this crow and hide the body of my brother?” And he became of the regretful.
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land – it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one – it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,
Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
O you who have believed, fear Allah and seek the means [of nearness] to Him and strive in His cause that you may succeed.
Indeed, those who disbelieve – if they should have all that is in the earth and the like of it with it by which to ransom themselves from the punishment of the Day of Resurrection, it will not be accepted from them, and for them is a painful punishment.
They will wish to get out of the Fire, but never are they to emerge therefrom, and for them is an enduring punishment.
[As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they committed as a deterrent [punishment] from Allah . And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.”

You said you believe the objection will get resolved. How?

paarsurrey1 wrote:

Thanks for selecting a verse and quoting from Quran its context verses. I give them again with the verse numbers:

[5:28] And relate to them truly the story of the two sons of Adam, when they each offered an offering, and it was accepted from one of them and was not accepted from the other. The latter said, ‘I will surely kill thee.’ The former replied, ‘Allah accepts only from the righteous.
[5:29] ‘If thou stretch out thy hand against me to kill me, I am not going to stretch out my hand against thee to kill thee. I do fear Allah, the Lord of the universe.
[5:30] ‘I wish that thou shouldst bear my sin as well as thy sin, and thus be among the inmates of the Fire, and that is the reward of those who do wrong.’
[5:31] But his mind induced him to kill his brother, so he killed him and became one of the losers.
[5:32] Then Allah sent a raven which scratched in the ground, that He might show him how to hide the corpse of his brother. He said, ‘Woe is me! Am I not able to be even like this raven so that I may hide the corpse of my brother?’ And then he became regretful.
[5:33] On account of this, We prescribed for the children of Israel that whosoever killed a person — unless it be for killing a person or for creating disorder in the land — it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and whoso gave life to one, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind. And Our Messengers came to them with clear Signs, yet even after that, many of them commit excesses in the land.
[5:34] The reward of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to create disorder in the land is only this that they be slain or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on alternate sides, or they be expelled from the land. That shall be a disgrace for them in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a great punishment;
[5:35] Except those who repent before you have them in your power. So know that Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[5:36] O ye who believe! fear Allah and seek the way of approach unto Him and strive in His way that you may prosper.
[5:37] Surely, if those who disbelieve had all that is in the earth and as much over again, to ransom themselves therewith from the punishment of the Day of Resurrection, it would not be accepted from them; and they shall have a painful punishment.
[5:38] They will wish to come out of the Fire, but they will not be able to come out of it, and they shall have a lasting punishment.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=5&verse=37
So the selected verse for discussion/debate is [5:34].

One may note here that the terrorists are clearly not following the teachings mentioned in these verses and whatever they are doing has no sanction from Quran/Islam/Muhammad, please.

Regards

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“The Ambassadors of Peace”: King Mansa Musa of Mali

October 19, 2017

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A team of donkeys walks past the Djingarey Ber, the oldest mosque in Timbuktu. King Mansa Musa paid an architect 200 kilograms of gold to design it, a show of his kingdom’s prestige, and it was completed in 1327. Ever since, it has been a symbol of the grandeur of the medieval Malian empire. Though Mali is today a very poor part of the world, 14th century Timbuktu was a center of wealth, trade, and education, including at mosques like this one, which doubled as learning centers. (emilio labrador/Flickr)

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Locals cart goods past the Sankore mosque, which is often known as Sankore University for its remarkable history as a place for education as well as religion. Though less architecturally significant than the older Djingarey Ber, Sankore developed in the 15th and 16th centuries as one of the medieval world’s great centers of learning. Students would travel here to learn history, math, and astronomy, as well as Islam, from its respected scholars. It is still in use as a mosque; a speaker, used to broadcast the daily call to prayer, juts out from its side. (emilio labrador/Flickr)

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A U.S. museum displays a copy of a manuscript page, the original of which is in Timbuktu, hand-written by the prominent Islamic scholar Omar ibn Said. The West African’s late-1800s religious writings were both an important contribution to Islamic thinking and a testament to Timbuktu’s continued significance, centuries later, for Islam. Said was captured by slave-traders in 1807 and shipped to the Carolinas, where he died in 1864, a common slave age either 93 or 94. His writings are held in Timbuktu’s Mama Haidara Manuscript Library. Though Ansar Dine extremists have not targeted this library, locals say they are worried about their cache of ancient Islamic manuscripts, some of which go back to the 13th century. (AP Images)

https://goldenagepublication.wordpress.com/2014/10/17/the-legacy-of-timbuktu-the-wonders-of-the-written-word/

I am really thankful for the above site for the photos and the other comments given above and also of flicker and AP images. Paarsurrey

 

“Islam demystified”

January 7, 2014

“Islam demystified”
December 12, 2013 By John Shore

John Shore has written an informative write-up in his blog “patheos”; the link of which is given below.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2013/12/islam-demystified/#disqus_thread
Courtesy John Shore of “Patheos” blog

Please join the discussion there or here on my blog Paarsurrey.

I give here the comments made by Rebecca Trotter, paarsurrey and by Sabio Lantz at “patheos” blog for the discussion.

I understand from Sabio Lantz vide his post “Another Progressive” bans Sabio” at his blog “Triangulations”that he has been banned from the “patheos” blog.
He may express his thought here and other viewers who agree with him or disagree with him are also welcome.
http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2013/12/29/another-progressive-bans-sabio/

Rebecca Trotter Sabio Lantz • 21 days ago −
The way I look at it, Islam is 500 years younger than Christianity. 500 years ago, I am certain a majority of Christians approved of burning witches and GLBT people, waging holy war, converting “savages” on the threat of death, killing those who wouldn’t convert, etc.

The fact that there are a lot of Muslims who don’t embrace the hardline let’s me know that it’s more than possible for Islam to move beyond barbarity just as Christianity (hopefully) did. That it’s happening in the context of modernity and global interconnection makes it almost certain that it won’t take nearly as long as it did for Christians.

The fact is that the old ways have continually and consistently fallen in the face of modern cultural forces. It’s happening now in the Muslim world and yes, there is resistance and blowback that goes with that – just as there has been in the western world. But people are people. Yes, religion is important. But Islam has changed and shifted before.

Besides what is to be gained by agreeing with violent, fundamentalist voices who claim that they are the true face and voice of Islam? Buying into that nonsense has wrecked havoc in the church. Do we really need to join in a repeat of that error when it comes to Islam?

paarsurrey Rebecca Trotter
@ Rebecca

The enlightened people in the West; should support the moderate people in Islam; that is the need of the hour.

I agree with you.

Regards

Sabio Lantz Rebecca Trotter • 21 days ago

I truly hope Muslims stop believing their scriptures just like many Christians (esp. in Europe and America) have stopped believing theirs. For I think that would improve Islam. But Rebecca do realize that it is the VAST majority of muslims that support sharia law with its calls for stonings, killings, mysogony and more. It is not only the Qur’an but also the Hadith which supports these.

Islam is certainly not monolithic, and like you, I hope the liberal, peaceful factions grow and quiet the horrible majority. And where that majority tries to bring Sharia law (or any semblance of it) into a country, it must be strongly resisted. We must not hesitate to call the majority view what it is: dangerous, deadly, twisted and perverse. I feel we can still acknowledge the minority of peace loving Muslims while we do that.

Rebecca, do you disagree with the Pew Poll statistics?

paarsurrey wrote: @ Sabio Lantz
01/07/2014 at 6:47 pm
Sorry for your being banned on the “patheos” blog; but you are welcome to express your views with reasons on my blog: “https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/islam-demystified/”

Surrendering to Divine will

June 27, 2013

Paarsurrey says:

“Surrendering to Divine will” is surrendering to the will of the one true God; which is Islam; and it definitely gives satisfaction to one. Please allow me to quote here from Quran:
[89:28] And thou, O soul at peace!
[89:29] Return to thy Lord well pleased with Him and He well pleased with thee.
[9:30] So enter thou among My chosen servants,
[89:31] And enter thou My Garden.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=89&verse=28

Is Islam a universal religion? | Yes; sure it is

May 7, 2013

Islam claimed that it has been sent to all human beings.
And it is a fact that Islam has spread in all the countries of the world. I don’t think there is any country in the world where Muslims don’t live.

Simple concepts; easy to practice religion.

Figures indicated in the first four columns below are based on the demographic study by the Pew Research Center report of The Future of the Global Muslim Population, as of 27 January 2011.[3][14]

Country/Region[3] Muslim population
2010 Pew Report[3]
Muslim percentage (%) of total population
2010 Pew Report[3]
Percentage (%) of World Muslim population
2010 Pew Report[3]
Muslim population
Other sources
Muslim percentage (%)
Other sources
Afghanistan 29,047,000 99.8 1.8
Albania 2,601,000 82.1 0.2 1,587,608[15] 38.8%-85%,[16][17] 56.7%[18]
Algeria 34,780,000 98.2 2.1
American Samoa < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Andorra 1,000 1.1 < 0.1
Angola 195,000 1.0 < 0.1
Anguilla < 1,000 0.3 < 0.1
Antigua and Barbuda < 1,000 0.6 < 0.1
Argentina 1,000,000 2.5 0.1
Armenia 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Aruba < 1,000 0.4 < 0.1
Australia 399,000 1.9 < 0.1
Austria 475,000 5.7 < 0.1 400-500,000[19] ~6.0%[20]
Azerbaijan 8,795,000 98.4 0.5
Bahamas < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Bahrain 655,000 81.2 < 0.1 866,888[21] 70.2%[21]
Bangladesh 148,607,000 90.4 9.2
Barbados 2,000 0.9 < 0.1
Belarus 19,000 0.2 < 0.1
Belgium 638,000 6.0 < 0.1 628,751[22] 6.0%[22]
Belize < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Benin 2,259,000 24.5 0.1
Bermuda < 1,000 0.8 < 0.1
Bhutan 7,000 1.0 < 0.1
Bolivia 2,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Bosnia-Herzegovina 1,564,000 41.6 0.1 45%[23]
Botswana 8,000 0.4 < 0.1
Brazil 204,000 0.1 < 0.1 35,167[24] 0.03%[24]
British Virgin Islands < 1,000 1.2 < 0.1
Brunei 211,000 51.9 < 0.1 67%[25]
Bulgaria 1,002,000 13.4 0.1 577,139[26] 10%[26]
Burkina Faso 9,600,000 58.9 0.6 60.5%[27]
Burma (Myanmar) 1,900,000 3.8 0.1
Burundi 184,000 2.2 < 0.1
Cambodia 240,000 1.6 < 0.1
Cameroon 3,598,000 18.0 0.2 20.9%[28]
Canada 940,000 2.8 0.1 1.9%[29]
Cape Verde < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Cayman Islands < 1,000 0.2 < 0.1
Central African Republic 403,000 8.9 < 0.1 15%[30][31]
Chad 6,404,000 55.7 0.4
Channel Islands < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Chile 4,000 < 0.1 < 0.1 2,894[32] 0.03% (over 15+ pop.)[32]
China 23,308,000 1.8 1.4 50,000,000 – 100,000,000[33][34]
Colombia 14,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Comoros 679,000 98.3 < 0.1
Congo 969,000 1.4 0.1
Cook Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Costa Rica < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Croatia 56,000 1.3 < 0.1
Cuba 10,000 0.1 < 0.1
Cyprus 200,000 22.7 < 0.1
Czech Republic 4,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Denmark 226,000 4.1 < 0.1 210,000[35] 3.7%[35]
Djibouti 853,000 97.0 0.1
Dominica < 1,000 0.2 < 0.1
Dominican Republic 2,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Ecuador 2,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Egypt 80,024,000 94.7 4.9 91%[36]
El Salvador 2,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Equatorial Guinea 28,000 4.1 < 0.1
Eritrea 1,909,000 36.5 0.1 50%[37]
Estonia 2,000 0.1 < 0.1 1,400[38]
Ethiopia 28,721,000 33.8 1.8
Faeroe Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Falkland Islands (Malvinas) < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Federated States of Micronesia < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Fiji 54,000 6.3 < 0.1
Finland 42,000 0.8 < 0.1
France 4,704,000 7.5 0.3 8%-10%[39]
French Guiana 2,000 0.9 < 0.1
French Polynesia < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Gabon 145,000 9.7 < 0.1
Gambia 1,669,000 95.3 0.1
Georgia 442,000 10.5 < 0.1
Germany 4,119,000 5.0 0.3 4,300,000[40] 5,4%[40]
Ghana 3,906,000 16.1 0.2
Gibraltar 1,000 4.0 < 0.1
Greece 527,000 4.7 < 0.1
Greenland < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Grenada < 1,000 0.3 < 0.1
Guadeloupe 2,000 0.4 < 0.1
Guam < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Guatemala 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Guinea 8,693,000 84.2 0.5
Guinea Bissau 705,000 42.8 < 0.1 50%[41]
Guyana 55,000 7.2 < 0.1
Haiti 2,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Honduras 11,000 0.1 < 0.1
Hong Kong 91,000 1.3 < 0.1
Hungary 25,000 0.3 < 0.1
Iceland < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1 770[42] 0.24%[42]
India 177,286,000 14.6 10.9 22%[43]
Indonesia 204,847,000 88.1 12.7
Iran 74,819,000 99.6 4.6
Iraq 31,108,000 98.9 1.9
Ireland 43,000 0.9 < 0.1 84,064[19] 2%[19]
Isle of Man < 1,000 0.2 < 0.1
Israel 1,287,000 17.7 0.1
Italy 1,583,000 2.6 0.1 825,000[20] 1.4%[20]
Ivory Coast 7,960,000 36.9 0.5 40%[44][45][46]
Jamaica 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Japan 185,000 0.1 < 0.1
Jordan 6,397,000 98.8 0.4
Kazakhstan 8,887,000 56.4 0.5 70.2%[47]
Kenya 2,868,000 7.0 0.2 10%[48]
Kiribati < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Kosovo 2,104,000 91.7 0.1 1,584,000[49]
Kuwait 2,636,000 86.4 0.2
Kyrgyzstan 4,927,000 88.8 0.3
Laos 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Latvia 2,000 0.1 < 0.1
Lebanon 2,542,000 59.7 0.2
Lesotho 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Liberia 523,000 12.8 < 0.1
Libya 6,325,000 96.6 0.4
Liechtenstein 2,000 4.8 < 0.1
Lithuania 3,000 0.1 < 0.1
Luxembourg 11,000 2.3 < 0.1
Macau < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Macedonia 713,000 34.9 < 0.1
Madagascar 220,000 1.1 < 0.1 7%[50]
Malawi 2,011,000 12.8 0.1
Malaysia 17,139,000 61.4 1.1
Maldives 309,000 98.4 < 0.1
Mali 12,316,000 92.4 0.8
Malta 1,000 0.3 < 0.1
Marshall Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Martinique < 1,000 0.2 < 0.1
Mauritania 3,338,000 99.2 0.2
Mauritius 216,000 16.6 < 0.1
Mayotte 197,000 98.8 < 0.1
Mexico 111,000 0.1 < 0.1
Moldova 15,000 0.4 < 0.1
Monaco < 1,000 0.5 < 0.1
Mongolia 120,000 4.4 < 0.1
Montenegro 116,000 18.5 < 0.1 118,477 [51] 19.11% [52]
Montserrat < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Morocco 32,381,000 99.9 2.0 99%[53]
Mozambique 5,340,000 22.8 0.3
Namibia 9,000 0.4 < 0.1
Nauru < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Nepal 1,253,000 4.2 0.1
Netherlands 914,000 5.5 0.1 5.8%[54]
Netherlands Antilles < 1,000 0.2 < 0.1
New Caledonia 7,000 2.8 < 0.1
New Zealand 41,000 0.9 < 0.1
Nicaragua 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Niger 15,627,000 98.3 1.0
Nigeria 75,728,000 47.9 4.7
Niue < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
North Korea 3,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Northern Mariana Islands < 1,000 0.7 < 0.1
Norway 144,000 3.0 < 0.1 163,180 in 2008[55]
Oman 2,547,000 87.7 0.2
Pakistan 178,097,000 96.4 11.0
Palau < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Palestinian territories 4,298,000 97.5 0.3 99.3% (Gaza Strip),[56] 75% (West Bank)[57]
Panama 25,000 0.7 < 0.1
Papua New Guinea 2,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Paraguay 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Peru < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Philippines 4,737,000 5.1 0.3
Pitcairn Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Poland 20,000 0.1 < 0.1
Portugal 65,000 0.6 < 0.1
Puerto Rico 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Qatar 1,168,000 77.5 0.1
Republic of Congo 60,000 1.6 < 0.1
Reunion 35,000 4.2 < 0.1
Romania 73,000 0.3 < 0.1
Russia 16,379,000 11.7 1.0 15%[58]
Rwanda 188,000 1.8 < 0.1
St. Helena < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
St. Kitts and Nevis < 1,000 0.3 < 0.1
St. Lucia < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
St. Pierre and Miquelon < 1,000 0.2 < 0.1
St. Vincent and the Grenadines 2,000 1.7 < 0.1
Samoa < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
San Marino < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Sao Tome and Principe < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Saudi Arabia 25,493,000 97.1 1.6
Senegal 12,333,000 95.9 0.8
Serbia 280,000 3.7 < 0.1
Seychelles < 1,000 1.1 < 0.1
Sierra Leone 4,171,000 71.5 0.3
Singapore 721,000 14.9 < 0.1
Slovakia 4,000 0.1 < 0.1
Slovenia 49,000 2.4 < 0.1
Solomon Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Somalia 9,231,000 98.6 0.6 99.9%[59][60][61][62][63]
South Africa 737,000 1.5 < 0.1
South Korea 75,000 0.2 < 0.1
Spain 1,021,000 2.3 0.1 1,000,000[20] 2.3%[20]
Sri Lanka 1,725,000 8.5 0.1
Sudan 30,855,000 71.4[Note 1] 1.9 97.0% (only the Republic of Sudan)[64]
Suriname 84,000 15.9 < 0.1 19.6%[65]
Swaziland 2,000 0.2 < 0.1
Sweden 451,000 4.9 < 0.1 450-500,000[66] ~5%[66]
Switzerland 433,000 5.7 < 0.1 400,000[67] 5%[67]
Syria 20,895,000 92.8 1.3
Taiwan 23,000 0.1 < 0.1
Tajikistan 7,006,000 99.0 0.4
Tanzania 13,450,000 29.9 0.8 35%[68]
Thailand 3,952,000 5.8 0.2
Timor-Leste 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Togo 827,000 12.2 0.1 20%[69]
Tokelau < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Tonga < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Trinidad and Tobago 78,000 5.8 < 0.1
Tunisia 10,349,000 99.8 0.6
Turkey 74,660,000 98.6 4.6
Turkmenistan 4,830,000 93.3 0.3
Turks and Caicos Islands < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Tuvalu < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Uganda 4,060,000 12.0 0.3
Ukraine 393,000 0.9 < 0.1 2,000,000[70]
United Arab Emirates 3,577,000 76.0 0.2
United Kingdom 2,869,000 4.6 0.2 2,422,000[19] 2.4%[20]
United States 2,595,000 0.8 0.2 7,000,000[71]
U.S. Virgin Islands < 1,000 0.1 < 0.1
Uruguay < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Uzbekistan 26,833,000 96.5 1.7
Vanuatu < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Vatican City 0 0 0
Venezuela 95,000 0.3 < 0.1
Vietnam 160,000 0.2 < 0.1 71,200[72]
Wallis and Futuna < 1,000 < 0.1 < 0.1
Western Sahara 528,000 99.6 < 0.1
Yemen 24,023,000 99.0 1.5
Zambia 59,000 0.4 < 0.1
Zimbabwe 109,000 0.9 < 0.1
South & Southeast Asia 1,005,507,000 24.8 62.1
Middle EastNorth Africa 321,869,000 91.2 19.9
Sub-Saharan Africa 242,544,000 29.6 15.0
Europe 44,138,000 6.0 2.7
Americas 5,256,000 0.6 0.3
World Total 1,619,314,000 23.4 100.0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

The true religion invites comparison

May 6, 2013

There is an interesting discussion on the above topic initiated by Gram28 on one of my favorite discussion forums http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/  @http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/146855-true-religion-invites-comparison-8.html

Originally Posted by Gram28I believe that the one true religion will embrace the spirit of freedom of religion and freedom to choose, confident that it will win out. Those of a false religion will tend to erect laws forbidding the free exchange of literature and freedom to practice it- thus indicating their falsity. Now look at the countries of particular concern and decide for yourself which religion(s) is subconsciously proclaiming itself false while claiming that it’s true and will take over the world.

Originally Posted by paarsurrey

The sentence in the bolds describes Islam.

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011

This is incorrect. The Quran says that those who believe in God, the angels, the messengers, and the last day, will have their reward with god. This does away with alot of eastern religion. The Quran also states that god hates the unbelievers. This does away with every religion but Islam. The Hadith separates man into two camps, the believers, or Ummah, and the unbelievers, the kafir. So how exactly does Islam foster the spirit of religious tolerance, and the freedom to choose one’s religion? Even though the Quran says that Jews and Christians are basically the same as Muslims, they are highly persecuted in predominantly Islamic nations. So please explain how your statement is true.

 

 

Originally Posted by paarsurrey

Please quote the specific verse of Quran; that may clarify your point.

 

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011

4:136, 2:62, 5:69. Those are the ones off the top of my head. But why do you ask what verses I spoke of-surely you know your own book better than I do.

 

Paarsurrey says:

I take the first reference mentioned by dyanaprajna2011 and give it here with one verse preceding and one verse following for the context:

[4:136] O ye who believe! be strict in observing justice, and be witnesses for Allah, even though it be against yourselves or against parents and kindred. Whether he be rich or poor, Allah is more regardful of them both than you are. Therefore follow not low desires so that you may be able to act equitably. And if you conceal the truth or evade it, then remember that Allah is well aware of what you do.
[4:137] O ye who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger, and in the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger, and the Book which He revealed before it. And whoso disbelieves in Allah and His angels, and His Books, and His Messengers, and the Last Day, has surely strayed far away.
[4:138] Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine – Al Islam Online

I don’t think the verse is in any way against other religions; to me, other religions are not even remotely mentioned in the verse or in the verses in the context.

Will one kindly justify one’s viewpoint from the verse 4:136/137?

 

One may like to follow the discussion on the discussion forum< http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/ > or here in the blog paarsurrey; just for understanding and for benefit of the general public a charitable cause.

 

 

How coming together of religions will take place?

March 27, 2013

Mr. Tin Kay (sorry for the spellings; please correct me if I am wrong) asked from Mirza Tahir Ahmad a question;”There is a lot of suffering in the world of course. Will there ever be a time when people of different religions, different religious leaders will come together. And has this Messiah that you believe in, has he made any prophecies about the coming together of religions?”

The question was answered by Mirza Tahir Ahmad and I give here the same in my own words what I could gather from the video.

He told that that indeed there are prophecies found all over the world of unification of man under one flag but that does not mean amalgamation or combining of religions into one by force.

That is not unity; that will never happen. Religion does talk of a golden age when different religions or ideologies will be united under one flag; but that only means that there will be a divine movement in latter days whereby changing of thoughts and attitudes would gradually occur and the movement will gather mass until a new entity will arise.

It will not be a national or geographical happening but a universal unification of thoughts will be reborn that man will feel at one with each other sharing the same equality.

This will happen under the flag of Islam; this is coming together of religions as we understand it.

The video is presented here for the benefit of everybody:

Please start viewing the video, setting play-head position, for the relevant Q6 @ 01:09:00 .”There is a lot of suffering in the world of course. Will there ever be a time when people of different religions, different religious leaders will come together. And has this Messiah that you believe in, has he made any prophecies about the coming together of religions?”
Its answer ends @ 01:12:15: the answer is only: 03.15 in duration.

Paarsurrey says:

I am of the opinion that this will start off in America.

Credulity or My de-conversion Pt. 1

March 21, 2013

Paarsurrey says:

“Without wisdom there is no reason”- Buddha.

I think it is very normal to believe in something without evidence if one does not have a reasonable doubt in what is told to one in the everyday life.

If one doubts everything; life will become miserable and one could end into abject confusion;wisdom should prevail.

After all even in science we don’t do all the experiments ourselves and we mostly rely on the experiments done by others as we don’t have any reasonable doubt on what the scientists say.

Critical thinking is not banned in the truthful religion, in my opinion.

The truthful religion rather exhorts normal critical thinking with reason:

[2:171] And when it is said to them, ‘Follow that which Allah has sent down,’ they say: ‘Nay, we will follow that wherein we found our fathers.’ What! even if their fathers had no sense at all and no guidance?

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=170

thenistartedthinking

Credulity, the willingness to believe without evidence.
It comes in all different guises, from Facebook posts that promise a share in a lottery winning if you share or like it, to belief in astrology or psychics (notastronomy and physics). We all have unexamined, unsubstantiated beliefs, yet most of us don’t think we are gulible, we think of ourselves as thoughtful and reasonable people.
My journey from belief to unbelief in god happened as I started applying the same critical thinking methods that I used to examine other religious claims to my own.
It started with prayer. I was struck by the absurdity of praying for sick people the way that it was done in the church I was part of.
In the church that I came out of, there is the belief that god works in everything. When you pray, you can ask god to do a thing…

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Converts and their journey to Islam Ahmadiyya ~ Real Talk USA

March 14, 2013

War and Jainism

November 20, 2011

War and Jainism

I believe on sound arguments that every Revealed Religion and its founders were all peaceful and peace promoting.
Jainism is also one such religion.

Due to the current political situation in the world and due to the terrorists it is generally held, though wrongly, that Islam is not peaceful and Jainism is peaceful.

For a comparison, the root teachings of Quran should be taken into account.

The Jains had been at war in the history. Just for record I give one such link:

http://jainhistory.tripod.com/dare.html