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Second Coming

June 14, 2008

Continued from the previous posts titled Second Coming of Jesus; Some Claimants” of  June 12, 2008 and  Second Coming – a Christian Claimant of June 13, 2008  

 

Original Message —–

From: paarsurrey paarsurrey

To: Dore

Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 12:55 AM

Subject: Fwd: Re: Jesus’ Return

 

 

Hi!

 

Thank you for your point-wise response. Dore! You are not, I understand, as you say bound to convince me. But I am a human being and like other human beings I have been bestowed by God-the All -wise, with gifts of reason, rationality and some knowledge and God sent to us his word-revelation through his messengers full of wisdom, reason and arguments.
Now as I said in my earlier post there are many claimants of the office of Jesus/Christ/reformers and in almost all Revealed Religions.

Mere claims will not suffice us; there have to be proofs for the humans.

It is not in your knowledge that Muslims are in fact waiting for return of Jesus from the skies and also waiting fro a reformer called Mahdi amongst them. But there are several websites of Islam; if you like you can check it by putting a question to them. The Hindus are also waiting for Krishna to come again.

Son of God is proverbial phrase used in Bible please have a search in Bible, this phrase means the loved one or the dearest of the dear. The Jews and Muslims don’t believe that God is a physical being. They believe that God is only attributive- with many attributes. All physical beings have been created by Him rather than being born to him. He has no (physical or attributive) wife and hence no (physical) sons or daughters.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has a logical claim when he says and proves from Bible that Jesus s/o Mary did not die on cross, he just fainted and survived hence no question of resurrection from the dead. Jesus died at a later point in history a natural death and his enemies could not kill him as they had planned.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad says he is neither God nor a son of God nor a personification of God. He only claims that God has given the same moral and spiritual qualities as were given to Jesus by God.

There is no harm in providing me with 10/12 names, e-mail addresses of your confirmed believers to enable me to ask them some simple questions. I respect you and your followers.

 

 

 

 

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Re: Re: Jesus’ Return

Monday, February 13, 2006 4:15 PM

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“Dore” <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>

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As you say, human beings are bestowed with gifts of reason, rationality etc, however,  these things are also tainted by the evil one, darkness, lies, misconceptions etc depending upon what one believes in. Messengers have also been sent by Satan, thus the evidence of false prophets, false teachers, and false religions. If the other religions believe in me, Jesus Christ, then why do they deny, neglect or refuse the things that I have said?

 

My being the Son of God means just that. I am the ONLY begotten Son of the Most High God ever incarnated on the earth in human flesh. The Jews and the Muslims have denied my divinity, thus they have been lead to the false paths, lies and misconceptions by their false religious leaders, the Pharisees/rabbis and Mohammed respectively. God  the Father is NOT a physical being, but I, being ONE with the Father have been sent in His authority, Spirit, wisdom, knowledge, righteousness and power, in human flesh to perform the works of the plan of salvation, the first time as the teacher and sacrificial lamb, and second as Judge, Redeemer and King. The Word as written in John, was with God, and WAS God, and became flesh.

 

 

John 1:1-3
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
KJV

 

John 1:14

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
KJV

John 10:30

30 I and my Father are one.
KJV

John 14:10-11

10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.
KJV

 

you wrote

 

All physical beings have been created by Him rather than being born to him. He has no (physical or attributive) wife and hence no (physical) sons or daughters.

 

Of course, everything in the physical realm,  including humans, were created by Him, but all souls and spirit, for which gives the physical being life, was brought forth FROM Him. The physical attribute of conceiving children through a man and a wife was created solely for the physical realm, and God, being Spirit in the SPIRITUAL REALM, needs no mate to conceive children for all souls and spirits were brought forth from Him alone. The term Son means a direct descendant/ heir/offspring, and me, being the first angel brought forth from Him, I AM His Son. When a child is conceived, the Father imparts to the physical being a  soul and spirit that gives life to the being, and when the physical body dies, the soul and spirit return to the spirit realm. My spirit/soul is the first begotten Son of the Father. The fact that, as I said, have been incarnated in human flesh to perform the works that He has sent me here on earth to do.

 

you wrote.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has a logical claim when he says and proves from Bible that Jesus s/o Mary did not die on cross, he just fainted and survived hence no question of resurrection from the dead. Jesus died at a later point in history a natural death and his enemies could not kill him as they had planned.

 

Impossible, because the Bible clearly states that I did, in fact, die on the cross and rose again.

 

Matt 16:21

21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.
KJV

 

Mark 14:24

24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
KJV

 

John 19:30

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
KJV

 

John 19:38-20:1

38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.

39 And there came also Nicodemus, which at the first came to Jesus by night, and brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about an hundred pound weight.

40 Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury.

41 Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.

42 There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews’ preparation day; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.

KJV

 

Matt 20:19

19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.
KJV

John 20:9-17

9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
KJV

 

you wrote.

 

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad says he is neither God nor a son of God nor a personification of God. He only claims that God has given the same moral and spiritual qualities as given were given to Jesus by God.


John 3:18

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
KJV

1 John 2:22-23

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
KJV

You say that humans require proof of who I say that I am, but the proof is found in walking in spirit and truth, in the righteousness of God in the kingdom of God, for by the Holy Spirit of truth, I am revealed. I will NOT lower myself to provide emails of those who believe in me, as if I have something to prove to you or anyone else, because I do not. As the prophecies state, when I rise to be revealed to the masses, then you will have your evidence, but until then, you have a choice to either believe in what I have told you through the scriptures and DO the things that I have required from those who desire to be redeemed to receive the Holy Spirit of truth, to know me, but if you choose not and continue following the lies of the false anti-christs who deny my divinity and Sonship, then you will reap the consequences of that choice.

 

 

Dore

 

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The Grand Prophecy of the Eclipses

June 3, 2008

Hazrat Imam Baqar Muhammad bin Ali (ra) has narrated the following Hadith (saying of the Holy Prophet Muhammad saw):

“For our Mahdi (Divine Reformer) there are two signs which have never appeared before since the creation of the heavens and the earth, namely the moon will be eclipsed on the first night in Ramadan (i.e. on the first of the nights on which a lunar eclipse can occur) and the sun will be eclipsed in its middle (i.e. on the middle day of the days on which a solar eclipse can occur), and these signs have not appeared since God created the heavens and the earth.”

(Dare Qutani Vol 1, page 188) or (Sunan Darqutni, kitabul eidain, chapter: salat-ul-kasoof-ul khasoof wa haitahuma)

In the literature of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community, the dates of the lunar and solar eclipses have been taken as 13, 14, 15 and 27, 28, 29 respectively of the Islamic calendar.

Hence considering the dates as 13, 14 and 15 for the lunar eclipse and 27, 28 and 29 the prophecy was fulfilled in 1894, during the life of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the truthful claimant of the office of ImamMahdi. The purpose of the prophecy is to help people to recognize the PromisedDivineReformer and the prophecy has served the purpose very well.

Then Almighty God manifested this heavenly Sign in the year 1311 Hijra (1894 C.E) when the lunar and solar eclipses occurred over Qadian (The native place where Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 and ImamMahdi, was born, and hence he was called Qadiani) on the specified dates of Ramadan in fulfillment of the grand prophecy of the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him.

The lunar eclipse occurred after sunset on the 13th of Ramadan (March 21, 1894) and the solar eclipse occurred on Friday, the 28th of Ramadan (April 6, 1894). Apart from the almanacs, there was mention of the eclipses in the Indian newspapers of the time Azad and Civil and Military Gazette.

Would you believe this sign, please?

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I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam