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Gospels-“do not go back to the respective authors”

May 3, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/gospels-%E2%80%9Cdo-not-go-back-to-the-respective-authors%E2%80%9D.220354/

#1 paarsurrey

Gospels-“do not go back to the respective authors”
None, emphasis none, of the Gospel writers was the eye-witness of Jesus’ Crucifixion.
Thread open to everybody including those who claim they have no religion, please

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“The first four historical books of the New Testament are supplied with titles ( Euaggelion kata Matthaion, Euaggelion kata Markon , etc.), which, however ancient, do not go back to the respective authors of those sacred writings. ”
Gospel and Gospels – Encyclopedia Volume – Catholic Encyclopedia – Catholic Online

#659

None of the NT-Bible is “god inspired”

May 2, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/was-jesus-crucified-or-not.217361/page-11#post-6088520

#215 paarsurrey, 

I understand, while I read Kitab-i-Iqan, that neither Bahaullah nor Shoghi Effendi nor their followers understood Pauline-Christianity in its true colors. One may like to read “Pagan-Christianity” to have its glimpses.
Pagan Christianity – Wikipedia
It has nothing to do with Jesus , Mary and teachings of Jesus. One may like to read what is written in Quran about Jesus and Mary, quite some chapters, no compulsion however.

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“I believe”

#216 paarsurrey

I understand that mostly when one starts with these words,it is mostly a blind-faith, and that one is not going to change it even if most reasonable arguments and evidences are given. Right, please?

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#217 paarsurrey

I agree with one.
One who dies does not return to this earthly life again and Jesus was not an exception to it.

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“The claim that anything in the bible is “god inspired” is just an unfounded assertion.”

#658 paarsurrey

It will be as good to say that none of the NT-Bible is “god inspired”.

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“I say that it is anonymous”

#659 paarsurrey

Not only you say that the four Gospels were anonymous documents but the Catholic-Encylopedia also affirms that these were anonymous documents. Right, please?
The names of the Gospels do not suggest that the the accounts written were written by these disciples, their names were just assigned to give them some credulity. Right, please?
None, emphasis none, of the Gospel writers was the eye-witness of Jesus Crucifixion. Right, please?

Regards

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“The first four historical books of the New Testament are supplied with titles ( Euaggelion kata Matthaion, Euaggelion kata Markon , etc.), which, however ancient, do not go back to the respective authors of those sacred writings. ”
Gospel and Gospels – Encyclopedia Volume – Catholic Encyclopedia – Catholic Online

Entire Gospels are openly confessed to be hearsay

November 20, 2017

~all the quotes attributed to Jesus in the New Testament cannot be trusted to have actually been said by Jesus.
~It is true that the entire Gospels are openly confessed to be hearsay.
~It is also true that Gospels are filled with contradictions too.
~This is also true and no doubt in it that people can find contradictory verses in the NT. 

Thread: “Bible verses Pope. Who is wrong? ”
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

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Also, keep in mind that I don’t believe that all the quotes attributed to Jesus in the New Testament can be trusted to have actually been said by Jesus. The entire Gospels are openly confessed to be hearsay. I also hold that the Gospels are filled with contradictions too. So I have no doubt that people can find contradictory verses. However, this doesn’t bother me because all that does is confirm my position that the Gospels are indeed self-contradictory.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I agree with one that:

~all the quotes attributed to Jesus in the New Testament cannot be trusted to have actually been said by Jesus.
~It is true that the entire Gospels are openly confessed to be hearsay.
~It is also true that Gospels are filled with contradictions too.
~This is also true and no doubt in it that people can find contradictory verses in the NT.

This is because Pauline-Christianity got hold of anonymous narrations and doctored them cunningly to trick the followers of Jesus to the hold of Pauline-Christianity, nevertheless, one could find the clues and signs to separate truth from the fiction. Right, please?

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Christians say Jesus was “God’s Word”; yet Jesus did not write even a word for them

April 3, 2014

Our friend Jericho Brisance has written on his blog a brilliant post titled:
“Strictly Speaking, the Gospels are Anonymous” (w/ YouTube).

http://jerichobrisance.com/2014/03/28/strictly-speaking-the-gospels-are-anonymous-w-youtube/

I give below a long excerpt from it :

“Religious traditions came first, and the Bible came later, at all points.

God’s Word

This dilapidated state of affairs is the expected outcome, since God’s texts have ever arrived by a circuitous route of dubious intermediaries. Here we owe ourselves and others a sanity check. On the Christian proposition, God himself had been here on earth for a good three decades. Yet he left us not a single written word. How likely is that? He could have written the gospel by his own hand. Or a few letters. Something. Anything. He was supposed to have been The Word.

He very likely had a literacy that exceeded his immediate disciples. It seems like communication of the written sort would have been something he could probably have managed. Given that Christianity was destined to be a religion grounded in religious texts, it sure would seem to clinch the deal if God himself wrote a few lines here and there.

We do not have “God’s Word” in the gospels. If Jesus had actually written something by his own hand, and if he had been who the Gospel of John claimed, then we would perhaps have a case for such a claim. But no. We have gospels – stories about Jesus. These are stories about what Jesus said – not Jesus’ words. They are stories about what Jesus did – not objective histories about the life and times of the Nazarene. And they are told as hero tales, as recounted by… whoever the authors actually were.” Unquote