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Isn’t Torah (or OT) a dead horse to Hellenist Pauline Christianity?

September 4, 2022

Why do the Christians accuse Jesus of writing the NT Bible?


Thread on ” The Problems of Hellenized Judaism and interpretation of Christian Scripture “

Paarsurrey wrote:
My understanding is that Pauline-Christianity’s-Priesthood discourages its people to study OT first and then NT, they read it upside down, first they read NT and then OT; is it correct, please? Right?

EF said↑
Just Catholicism.
I have received a standard, strict Catholic upbringing and do not recall anyone teaching me what the Old Testament was about, and nobody encouraged me to read it.
The Catechism exclusively revolves around the Gospels, and the parables.
These were the only books.
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Paarsurrey wrote:

They (the Pauline-Christianity’s priesthood) only cling to OT, as it has some prophecies, which they fit on Jesus to add some more credulity to the stuff they have collected that they call Gospels or NT, else, isn’t the whole OT just a dead horse to them (the Pauline-Christianity), one gets to understand, please? Right?
Jesus read and mastered the Torah, he could never have adopted such an approach for his people, one could say, right?


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“Is there a war on Christianity in America’s Left?”

May 1, 2019

Religious Forums

#263 paarsurrey

Does one mean that people with No-Religion whatever nomenclature they have are inclining towards Extremism, please?
It is too bad. The world needs peace and justice. Right, please?



Jesus as a Jew…

April 24, 2019

Blog post # 2226

Religious Forums

“In that view Jesus is not fully God fully man. Didn’t die for sins of the world. Wasn’t raised.” Unquote
#84 paarsurrey

We Muslims specifically Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim believe in Jesus, Mary, Moses, Adam and Abraham; as also other messengers/prophets of G-d (Bahaullah excluded) and their life accounts because Quran mentions them, strictly as mentioned by Quran. And other narratives (like OT-Torah or NT-Bible and Hadith,Shia or Sunni or any other traditions/sayings) that don’t contradict with Quran.

“In that view Jesus is not fully God fully man. Didn’t die for sins of the world. Wasn’t raised.”

Because that mars the personality and Character of Jesus, making him an imperfect man and god Jesus never was. We cannot, emphasis cannot, believe in such an imperfect god as depicted in NT Bible, please.

Sorry, no disrespect intended to anybody or anybody’s faith. Everybody is entitled to believe in any faith/religion with reason or absolute no reason. They must to continue to believe, as they want and wish to.

Right, please?


“I know that there were thirteen tribes of Israel and Levi was one such tribe.”

#85 paarsurrey

Please name them as Jacob/Israel had only twelve sons. Where does come another one to make them thirteen, please:

Jacob’s twelve sons, named in Genesis, were Reuben, Simeon,LeviJudah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, IssacharZebulun,Joseph, and Benjamin. His only daughter mentioned in Genesis is Dinah. The twelve sons became the progenitors of the “Tribes of Israel”.
Jacob – Wikipedia
Jacob – Wikipedia


“You can´t love Him (Jesus)”: A Christian says to paarsurrey. Do they have monopoly on Jesus?

April 22, 2019

Religious Forums

#27 paarsurrey

“You can´t love Him (Jesus)”

If one likes one may read my thoughts in posts #5 and #13 on another thread , please.


#38 paarsurrey

Do Christians have monopoly on loving Jesus? If yes who issued a license to it, please?


The Pagan Christ (2)

April 21, 2019

Religious Forums

Rxxxxxx said: 

“just borrowing a few beliefs from Paganism”.

#13 paarsurrey

sorry, these were not just a few unimportant belief., Paul borrowed the core beliefs of the Modern-Christianity from “Paganism”. Instead of making pagans followers of Jesus’ and his teachings, Paul cleverly made the “sheep” followers of Paganism in the name of Jesus. Jesus never authorized Paul to do such wrong acts. It is making Christianity an Anti-Christ, not a trivial thing at all. If truly understood, it makes Paul the “Wolf in the sheep’s clothing”* as Jesus foretold . Right, please?
Sorry, no disrespect intended to anybody’s faith, they may continue believing whatever they want to.



*Matthew 7:15 King James Version (KJV)
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7:15 – King James Version

The Pagan Christ

April 20, 2019

Religious Forums

#5 paarsurrey

The Pagan Christ

Paul hijacked Jesus’ true teachings and replaced then with the pagan teachings and the “Sheep”, unaware of this, were made pagans. This was all done in the name of Jesus:

“such as virgin birth, deity father, star in the east, raising of the dead, descent into hell, crucifixion, resurrection, and others. Harpur claims that virtually all words and actions attributed to Jesus in the gospels “originated thousands of years before.”[4]
The Pagan Christ – Wikipedia
The question arises, was Paul the seed of the Anti-Christ that grew up and spread into the world as Christianity?


Add: Jesus is most likely a continuation of Osiris and Dionysus : DebateReligion


“Dear Church: here’s why people are really leaving you”

May 13, 2015

Please view my post and comment on it or join the discussion on < >

Post #27

Paarsurrey wrote:

Christianity needs to be reformed. It is not based on the teachings of Jesus. Jesus did not believe in the creeds of the modern Christianity.
Second Coming has taken place in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 to reform it.


No wisdom in leaving a revealed religion to join Atheism, just for convenience

February 26, 2014

Please view paarsurrey’s comments: blog, topic, link below:

“The Calladus Blog” topic “What I believe”

Paarsurrey says: (still awaiting moderation from the blog owner)

@Calladus : 25/2/14 9:21 PM: 26/2/14 8:07 AM

I was not even implying to that. I know that you are an atheist, not a Christian. My point was that though you studied Christianity intensively and other religions not up-to that level; yet your study of or research of revealed religions was impaired only because you did not have a right tool or principle of comparative study of religions ; and then you all of a sudden decided to become an Atheist, just for convenience.

I had suggested you to read a book “THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah; I again give its link below:

Click to access Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf

This was an essay written by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 read at a conference of great religions held at Lahore in the then British India, in the year 1896.

The very first sentence of the essay reads “It is necessary that a claim and the reasons in support of it must be set forth from a revealed book.”

I use to describe it as a “Golden rule for comparative study of revealed religions”; and this principle is explained in the next two pages by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad:


“In this auspicious Conference the purpose of which is that those who have been invited to participate in it should expound the merits of their respective religions with reference to the questions that have been formulated. I shall today set forth the merits of Islam. Before I proceed to do so I deem it proper to announce that I have made it obligatory upon myself that whatever I state will be based upon the Holy Quran which is the Word of God Almighty.

I consider it essential that everyone who follows a book, believing it to be revealed, should base his exposition upon that book and should not so extend the scope of his advocacy of his faith as if he is compiling a new book.

As it is my purpose today to establish the merits of the Holy Quran and to demonstrate its excellence, it is incumbent upon me not to state anything which is not comprehended in the Quran and to set forth everything on the basis of its verses and in accord with their meaning and that which might be inferred from them, so that those attending the Conference should encounter no difficulty in carrying out a comparison between the teachings of different religions.

As all those who believe in a revealed book will also confine themselves to statements comprised in their respective revealed books, I shall not make any reference to the traditions of the Holy Prophet, inasmuch as all true traditions are only derived from the Holy Quran which is a perfect book comprehending all other books.

In short this is the day of the manifestation of the glory of the Holy Quran and I humbly beseech God Almighty to assist me in this undertaking. Amin. “ Unquote

Had one known this principle before; I think one’s decision would have been different.

One is welcome to try it now; if one pleases.

Did Jews Borrow Greek Myths: 3 examples

January 7, 2014

paarsurrey wrote:

01/07/2014 at 11:31 am

I think Jesus did not need to borrow any myth from the Greeks. He neither believed any myth nor did he teach any?

It was Paul who preached myths; and might have borrowed as well.

Note from paarsurrey:

Please view rest of the discussion on my blog under the topic here at following link:


Myth_Sembelance_Theories_GreeceHow are Shared Myths Possible?

Did the Jews borrow from Greek Mythology — I’d bet they did, but literalist Christians vehemently disagree.

When one culture has very similar stories compared to another there are three things that could have happened – see my illustration to the right showing models of where Jews may have gotten their stories.

Either (b) they borrowed the story from the other culture, or (a) both cultures developed them completely independently.  The third option is (c) the Judeo-Christian option that Yahweh shared the stories between cultures to help others eventually understand Israel’s truths.

Three Possible Shared Myths

Neil Godfrey just publish a short post on three similar myths shared between Bible myths and Greek myths (taken from West’s book, see below). To aid in reading Neil’s fine post, I have explored some of the time elements below.  You can see that the answer is not easy.

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“Exactly Who or What do We Really Worship?”

January 4, 2014

syzygyastro has started a hub on the above topic at HubPages which could be viewed at the following link:

Paarsurrey has contributed the following post on the topic:

paarsurrey wrote:
quoting from the hub/post:

“But as far as the texts of some religions are concerned, especially Judaism and Islam, the making of any image of anything is frowned upon to say the least.”

Moses forbade making any idols to worship:
Deuteronomy 5:8
8“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.

Quran also mentions it at many places not to worship idols:
[29:17] And remember Abraham when he said to his people, ‘Worship Allah and fear Him. That is better for you if you understand.
[29:18] ‘You only worship idols beside Allah, and you forge a lie. Those whom you worship beside Allah have no power to provide sustenance for you. Then seek sustenance from Allah, and worship Him, and be grateful to Him. Unto Him will you be brought back.

The concept of worship is to inculcate the attributes of the One-True-God by those who worship Him; the attributes have no physical form and making them physical does not help in any way.

yzygyastro wrote:

Today we have plenty of idols including others like powerful figures, rock stars, movie stars and the like. The overall time consuming activity of most people in the developed and developing world is money and there is a warning in the NT in regard to the worship of two masters. See Matthew 6: 24,25 and also Luke 16:13

Paarsurrey says:

Actually with Christianity it started as soon as they deviated from the real path of Jesus and the Christians started following the seed of the Anti-Christ I mean Paul and the Church- his associate; they carved Trinity out of the thin air ; and then idols and statues followed, very much against the elaborate teachings of Moses and Jesus.

Did Jesus make any statue or idol himself or ever instructed other to make one?

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