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Did Buddha believe in the hereafter?

February 22, 2017

“Gospel of Buddha mentions, that Buddha went to heaven to meet his mother who had died.
It does reflect, however, that Buddha believed in the hereafter.”

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#113 paarsurrey, Jan 24, 2017

paarsurrey said:
It is a matter of revealed religions.
Well, Atheism are not affected, they neither believe in G-d nor in the hereafter. They are free to enjoy free-will, no compulsion.
Gospel of Buddha mentions, that Buddha went to heaven to meet his mother who had died.
It does reflect, however, that Buddha believed in the hereafter.
Please correct me if I am wrong. Please
Anybody, please
Regards

I find that Buddha went to heaven to meet his mother who had died in many a sites belonging to Buddha:
“The king of this realm is called Indra. The Indra who was king at that time was also Buddha’s disciple and he invited Buddha to go there. So Buddha went to benefit his mother and also, at Indra’s request, to benefit the other gods living there. He stayed three months, and then returned on this day.”
Buddha’s Return from Heaven Day – Kadampa Buddhism
So Buddha believed in after life. Right? Please

Regards

Paarsurrey responded:

But Buddha would have not gone to the heavens to meet his mother:

  • If Buddha had not considered it worthwhile and Buddha would have not given it full consideration
  • If Buddha had not believed in heaven
  • If Buddha had not believed in afterlife
  • If Buddha had not believed in reward for the good-people and punishment for the wrong doers
  • This could not happen if Buddha had not believed in ONE to judge the people

Right? Please
Regards

Buddha did believe in soul

June 10, 2015

<www.religiousforums.com ><Thread: Buddha did believe in soul >.

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Post #47
Paarsurrey wrote:
“If by soul we mean simply that human beings have a spiritual aspect that is not ultimately bound up with physical processes, then Buddhism would be much more sympathetic to the idea. Buddhism may deny the existence of a “soul” but it is not for that reason “soul-less” in the same way as is materialist philosophy.”​

Buddha did believe in soul.

Regards

“Is there a soul in Buddhism”

http://www.arrowriver.ca/dhamma/soul.html

Buddha did believe in God, angels, life after death, revelation

May 27, 2015

Please view and comment on my posts if you like at <www.religiousforums.com>< Thread : Buddhist don’t believe in God: Why should they have a scripture then?>. One may access the forum/thread by clicking on the post # below.

The Sermon of the Seven Suns (Anguttara VII. 62)

Paarsurrey wrote:

First we take The Sermon of the Seven Suns (ANGUTTARA NIKÂYA VII. 62).

What was the source of knowledge of Buddha while he told following expressions in the sermon?
Expressions of Buddha in “the sermon of the seven suns”

· “ Sineru, the monarch of mountains, reek and fume and send forth clouds of smoke”
· “and goes as far as the worlds of God”
· “fellowship with the world of God”
· “to weal in the world of God”
· “were born again, upon the dissolution of the body after death”
· “some into fellowship with those angels who transmute subjective delights into objective and share them with others”
· “he did not return to this world”
· “Yea, then, O monks, he was a Brahmâ, the Great Brahmâ (or, God), conquering, unconquered, all-seeing, controlling.”
· “Sakko, the lord of the angels”
· “supernal knowledge”

Buddha did believe in God, angels, life after death, revelation. He clearly mentions it.

Regards

BUDDHA HAS DEFINITELY NO CONNECTION WITH NON-THEISM, ATHEISM, AGNOSTICISM, SKEPTICISM

February 28, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey’s comments on the following blog for your valuable opinion:

“NonProphet Status (NPS)”
“KAREN STOLLZNOW INTERVIEW, PART TWO
FEBRUARY 20TH, 2014 | POSTED BY: CHRIS STEDMAN”

http://nonprophetstatus.com/

http://nonprophetstatus.com/2014/02/20/karen-stollznow-interview-part-two/#comment-1265013329

PAARSURREY • A FEW SECONDS AGO
@KAREN STOLLZNOW
@CHRIS STEDMAN

“NONTHEISM IS ALSO COMPATIBLE WITH BUDDHISM”
MAYBE THE BUDDHISM IN AMERICA HAS SOME CONNECTION WITH NON-THEISM OR ATHEISM/AGNOSTICISM/SKEPTICISM; BUT BUDDHA HAS DEFINITELY NO CONNECTION WITH THEM (NON-THEISM OR ATHEISM/AGNOSTICISM/SKEPTICISM).

PAARSURREY • 12 MINUTES AGO
@KAREN STOLLZNOW:

“THE BEST WAY TO BE SENSITIVE TO THESE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITIES IS TO GET TO KNOW THEIR MEMBERS PERSONALLY AND TO SEE THEM AS PEOPLE, NOT AS STEREOTYPES PERPETUATED IN MOVIES, BOOKS AND ONLINE. FOR EACH RELIGION PROFILED I HAD DIRECT CONTACT WITH MEMBERS OF THESE GROUPS. IT WAS ALSO IMPORTANT FOR ME TO WORK WITH EX-MEMBERS OF THESE GROUPS, TO GAIN INSIGHT FROM THOSE WHO ARE NOW OUTSIDERS, AND HAVE A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE AS FORMER INSIDERS.”

I AM AN AHMADI PEACEFUL MUSLIM. I LIKE THE APPROACH OF KAREN STOLLZNOW. ONE MUST HAVE A PERSONAL CONTACT WITH THE COMMUNITIES TO WHOM ONE WANTS A MEANINGFUL DIALOGUES. I APPRECIATE IT. IT IS ETHICALLY GOOD.

http://nonprophetstatus.com/2014/02/20/karen-stollznow-interview-part-two/#comment-1265013329

Christianity is gutted: Buddhism under “naturalization”

January 25, 2014

A thought provoking article by David Chapman could be viewed at the following link:

http://meaningness.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/problems-with-scripture/

David Chapman writes:

“Christianity is gutted; it is reduced to a shell, an outer form whose core has been eaten away by non-Christian beliefs and practices.” Unquote

I have written following comments on the above article:

paarsurrey says:
January 25, 2014 at 10:25 am

@David Chapman
@ Marie Ramos: comment dated June 25, 2011 at 12:09 am

I have a lot of interest in the Buddha; though I am an Ahmadi Muslim; as belief in Buddha being a perfect man (called Messengers Prophets of One-True-God) is part of my faith (five pillars of our faith).

Since Buddhist scriptures (named after the Buddha) consist of thousand of pages; and one could not perhaps read it conveniently; I thanked God when I came by a book named “Gospel of Buddha” which gives the Buddhist scriptures in a concise form.

How do you see “Gospel of Buddha” in this perspective? Please
Thanks and regards

http://meaningness.wordpress.com/2011/06/24/problems-with-scripture/#comment-4135

Four strategies for naturalizing religion

January 23, 2014

Paarsurrey says:
Is it not an attempt at corrupting the Buddhist scriptures? Or it is an attempt at corrupting Buddha’s teachings?

“Worldly Prosperity: The Crux of Christianity & Buddhism”: Triangulations

January 16, 2014

I wrote following post on “Triangulations” topic “Worldly Prosperity: The Crux of Christianity & Buddhism”; and I publish it in my blog for the benefit of viewers of my blog and for public.

http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2014/01/15/worldly-prosperity-the-crux-of-christianity-buddhism/#comment-122739

paarsurrey
01/15/2014 at 6:54 pm

“efforts to acquire worldly prosperity are a common theme among the majority of Christians and Buddhists.” Unquote

I think I have to disagree with you here. Your above summary might be true about the present day Buddhists/Buddhism and or Christians/Christianity but surely not true about Buddha- who twice rejected the throne his father keenly offered him; and about Jesus whose Core Teachings are:
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:36-40
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22%3A36-40

I don’t think that Buddha or Jesus would agree to your surmise. Would they?
I think this needs revisiting of your post.
Thanks

Religions of Krishna or Buddha are also included in the concept of the Truthful Religion

January 9, 2014

Glimpses of discussion with Atheists; please, click the following link for original discussion:

http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2014/01/01/did-jews-borrow-greek-myths-3-examples/#comment-122209
Topic “Did Jews Borrow Greek Myths: 3 examples”

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2014/01/07/did-jews-borrow-greek-myths-3-examples/

paarsurrey

01/09/2014 at 3:44 pm
Quoting the words of Takis Konstantopoulos
01/09/2014 at 12:06 pm
“Do you mean to say that the gods of all monotheistic religions (Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam–maybe there are more, I don’t know) are identical?”

Whichever the revealed religion is and in whatever part of the world it is located; I mean all of them.
Religions of Krishna or Buddha are also included in the concept of the Truthful Religion.

Takis Konstantopoulos
01/09/2014 at 3:57 pm
You are welcome. Thanks for replying. Unfortunately, I don’t understand what you are saying. Is it true then that Vishnu, Shiva, Brahma, Apollo and Yahweh are identical?

Sabio Lantz
01/09/2014 at 4:05 pm
@ Takis (& paarsurrey),
paarsurrey is a theist (albeit a broadly inclusivist sort) who is talking to a bunch of atheists (most of my readers) as if we believe in a theistic god and we don’t. I think his form of Islam believes that all other religions but his religion has corrupt scripture (actually, this is orthodox Islam too), but he is willing to say the original teachings of the ‘great religions’ is true but now corrupt. That way they can pretend to be inclusive, but they really aren’t. A very tricky more, in my book. But either way, us atheists don’t find any traction in any of the theist arguments: inclusivists, pseudo-inclusivists, or exclusivists. I would like to see paarsurrey talk to us as if he recognizes our beliefs — whether he disagrees or not.

paarsurrey
01/09/2014 at 4:05 pm
The original revelation on Krishna could be entirely different from what people now believe; one should not be mislead by that.

This is due to the verbal transmission.

Jesus was a Jew and concurred with Moses on belief in One-True-God Yahweh; yet the modern Christians don’t follow Jesus’ teachings and believe in Trinity invented by Paul.

It is not difficult to understand, I think.

paarsurrey
01/09/2014 at 4:09 pm
@ Sabio Lantz 01/09/2014 at 4:05 pm

I think I am already talking. Am I not?

Takis Konstantopoulos
01/09/2014 at 4:12 pm
I think I understand. There is one god, let’s call her (or him?) G. This G revealed “the truth” to “the righteous ones” at “some point of time.” But then his (or her) message was corrupted and people started revering all kinds of deities. Because of the passage of time, the diversion became greater and greater. This is why, at the present time, there are mutually incompatible beliefs.

OK, I get it.

Please let me know if my syllogism is a correct interpretation of your last post.

But then, I have a further question. I arrive at this world endowed with no religion and no beliefs whatsoever. At some point in my life I decide to pick a religion. Which one should I pick?

paarsurrey
01/09/2014 at 4:32 pm
I think you have understood me correctly.
You should search yourself and join the Truthful Religion wherever you find it:

[29:70] And as for those who strive in Our path — We will surely guide them in Our ways. And verily Allah is with those who do good.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=29&verse=69

Takis Konstantopoulos
01/09/2014 at 4:58 pm
To clarify: I don’t mean to say that the particular passage from the Quran is corrupt–that I don’t know–but that, for sure (you agreed on that), there are corruptions in the Quran or whichever other texts Muslims use. Right?

paarsurrey
01/09/2014 at 6:44 pm
@Takis Konstantopoulos 01/09/2014 at 4:58 pm
Quoting your words:
(you agreed on that) Unquote

Please quote my words.

Buddha did not Support Atheism/Skepticism in any concrete terms

December 25, 2013

Buddha did not Support Atheism/Skepticism in any concrete terms; if one differs with me then one should quote from Buddha where he supported Atheism/Skepticism specifically and unequivocally.

I re-blogged the following post in my blog one could view it at the following link:
“The Garden of Eden was in Congo ”

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/the-garden-of-eden-was-in-congo/

The comments exchanged are also given below:

paarsurrey says:

December 25, 2013 at 14:22

So , please don’t mind it; you don’t have anything concrete from Buddha supporting Atheism/Skepticism.

It is just your impression that Buddha discussed here about the Truthful Revealed Religions; he has discussed here the corrupted version of the religions and of those who don’t believe in any altogether.

If one finds after observation and analysis that Atheism/Skepticism don’t agrees with reason and it is conducive to the good and benefit of the humanity not to accept them; then one is doing this within the scope of the general teaching of Buddha for not accepting Atheism/Skepticism.

Kindly give some concrete quotation from Buddha in support of Atheism/Skepticism. Please
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Buddha has got nothing to do with Atheism or Skepticism.

December 23, 2013

I re-blogged the following post in my blog one could view it at the following link:
“The Garden of Eden was in Congo ”
http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/the-garden-of-eden-was-in-congo/

The comments exchanged are also given below:

paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 10:49

Reblogged this on paarsurrey and commented:
??
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archaeopteryx1 says:
December 18, 2013 at 11:35

Hello, Paarsurrey, I don’t believe I’ve met you yet – how are you? I look forward to your comments from a Muslim perspective. I have a number of former Muslim friends, from Egypt, who post on the thinkatheist.com website, who are now atheists. As you are a peaceful Muslim, so we are peaceful atheists, mostly.
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paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 11:58

Yes;we have never met before; but it is never late when two humans meet and share their experiences.
I like the post “The Garden of Eden was in Congo”. How do we know which one is the original; the Bible version or the Congo version.
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makagutu says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:00

Good question. The Congo one is independent of the bible one and may be older than the bible one just as there are many stories in the bible told after the fact but passed as prophecy.

How have you been? I haven’t heard from you in quite a while.
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paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:09

Thanks for remembering me.
May be both the stories in origin have been revealed to both the people independently by the One-True-God Allah Yahweh.

makagutu says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:08

Thanks for that insight. I haven’t read the book either and I honestly must say I haven’t read much anthropology too. But as you say, the stories, if true would challenge beliefs held by many people.
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paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:16

There is no challenge in it. I believe that the One-True-God Allah Yahweh conversed with ever people; since the source is common hence the commonalities of stories.
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makagutu says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:17

I agree with you the source is common and that is human minds.
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paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:23

I don’t agree with you here.
makagutu says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:25

I am fine with that.
archaeopteryx1 says:
December 18, 2013 at 18:50

“I believe that the One-True-God Allah Yahweh conversed with ever people; since the source is common hence the commonalities of stories.”

Most cultures, Paarsurrey, around the world, have flood stories, and many religious apologetics cite this as proof of Noah’s universal flood, which we now know was plagiarized from a minor Mesopotamian river flood of 2900 BCE. There is no evidence for a global flood to be found. Each culture has had a flood happen to their people at some time in their history, but that doesn’t mean their floods didn’t happen at widely different times.

Both Islam and Christianity evolved from Judaism, and there is no evidence for either of their magical claims, nor to believe that some supernatural being chose a family of nomadic goatherders to be his chosen people and carry his message to the world. I say this with all due respect to your own beliefs, I am merely expressing mine.
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paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 21:04

Of course you could express your opinion freely but I don’t see it to be correct.
archaeopteryx1 says:
December 18, 2013 at 21:34

I never, for a moment, Paarsurrey, entertained the hope that you would. Sadly, most of us are never able to free ourselves from the philosophical system – and that’s exactly what all religions are – in which we are indoctrinated as children. Fortunately, on the other hand, some of us are able to move into the 21st century, and you will find a small collection of us here.

Because I can’t imagine this conversation going much further, let me leave you with this advice to consider:

“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
– Buddha –

Pax vobiscum – or, as you might more readily say, As-Salaam Alaikom –
paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 21:42

Wa Ulaikumus Salam
Thank you.
Please do not doubt unless it is reasonable to doubt; it is unnatural to doubt to start with.
archaeopteryx1 says:
December 18, 2013 at 21:49

With Humankind, it is natural to question.
paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 21:55

Yes; if it is reasonable otherwise it would by cynical; please don’t mind.
archaeopteryx1 says:
December 18, 2013 at 22:04

Who decides what “reasonable” is? Question, then decide for yourself if the answer, not the question, is “reasonable.”

“If a man, holding a belief which he was taught in childhood, or persuaded of afterward, keeps down and pushes away any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of books and the company of men that call in question or discuss it…the life of that man is one long sin against mankind.”

– William Kingdon Clifford –

And against himself, I would hasten to add.
makagutu says:
December 18, 2013 at 22:56

Doubt, my friend is the beginning of wisdom. Be wary of anyone who discourages you from doubt.
paarsurrey says:
December 21, 2013 at 20:16

If one starts with doubt; one can never get any knowledge; one could end in cynicism.
archaeopteryx1 says:
December 21, 2013 at 21:11

“”Question with boldness even the existence of god.”
– Thomas Jefferson –

I’m not sure how you can believe that Paarsurrey – beginning with doubt leads to the collection of evidence, which leads to resolution of the doubt, but based on facts, not suppositions.

Your belief system teaches you to fear questioning ANYthing – I can’t even imagine living like that, nor would I want to. I’m free to follow the evidence, your fear forbids you that luxury.
paarsurrey says:
December 22, 2013 at 04:56

When one sees an anomaly; then it is natural to doubt, question and find the solution; not otherwise..
archaeopteryx1 says:
December 22, 2013 at 06:22

“When one sees an anomaly; then it is natural to doubt, question and find the solution” – I can agree with you about this, but not about this: “not otherwise…” Always question.

“anomaly: something that deviates from what is standard, normal, or expected”

Now I’ll be quick to admit that my knowledge of the Quran is very limited, and I have no idea how knowledgeable you are with the Bible, as I know that the Quran is supposed to be based on the Biblical Patriarchs, but I also know that a number of the Biblical tales have been significantly changed, or omitted entirely by the authors of the Quran.

The Bible, however, is loaded with anomalies, as is, I suspect, the Quran as well. Examples:
1. An invisible spirit who lives in the sky, magically assembled all of the material in this inconceivably vast universe, from nothing, and created everything.
2. The planet was covered with water, to the point of 15 cubits (22.5 feet) above the highest mountains, despite the fact that there isn’t even half enough water in, on, under, and above the earth to accomplish that, and of the water that IS available, 90% of that is already at or below sea level, and thus unavailable for flooding purposes.
3. How about the Red Sea magically parting, while a million and a half men, women and children walked the 18 miles (at it’s very narrowest point), to get to the other side?

There’s no point in going further, the Bible is riddled with anomalies, including the fact that there is no evidence that any of the Patriarchs, including Moses, upon whom Judaism, Islam and Christianity are based, ever existed.

Oh, and how about old Mo flying from Mecca, to Jerusalem, to heaven, and back to Mecca on a winged horse, in a single evening, getting home in time for breakfast? Anomaly!
paarsurrey says:
December 22, 2013 at 19:10

I an an ordinary man in the street with no claims of any piety or scholarship of any kind.

Krishna, Buddha,Zoroaster, Moses,Jesus, Muhammad, the founders of great revealed religions; they or their Word of Revelation in origin never claimed to writing down any text books of science. They guided humanity in ethical, moral and spiritual realms.
archaeopteryx1 says:
December 22, 2013 at 22:56

“I an an ordinary man in the street with no claims of any piety or scholarship of any kind.”
Sounds very much like you’re one of us, yet I sense that you are defending religion. You clearly stated, on your own website, that you are Muslim.
They guided humanity in ethical, moral and spiritual realms.
Some more successfully than others – Yahweh, for example, told the Israelis to commit mass genocide, that rape was ok as long as you married the girl eventually, and many, many other abominable pieces of advice.

I actually quoted you Buddah, but you seemed to reject his opinion:
“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.
– Buddha –
Possibly you will find this a little more to your liking:
“Custom, tradition, and intellectual laziness lead men to follow their religious leaders blindly. Religions have been the sole cause of the bloody wars that have ravaged mankind. Religions have also been resolutely hostile to philosophical speculation and to scientific research. The so-called holy scriptures are worthless and have done more harm than good, whereas the writings of the ancients like Plato, Aristotle, Euclid, and Hippocrates have rendered much greater service to humanity.”
– Abū Bakr Muhammad ibn Zakariyā al-Razi –
paarsurrey says:
December 23, 2013 at 04:56

“Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.”; then why should one believe in Atheism?
archaeopteryx1 says:
December 23, 2013 at 05:12

“…why should one believe in Atheism?”

No wonder you’re so critical of atheism, Paarsurrey, you clearly don’t understand it! It’s not about believing, it’s about not believing, and it follows the tenets of Buddah’s advice entirely, in that it depends on evidence – not emotional, irrational belief systems, but rather observation and analysis.

paarsurrey says:
December 23, 2013 at 05:49

Buddha has got nothing to do with Atheism or Skepticism.
Paarsurrey says:
December 25,2013

@archaeopteryx1
The following quote given by you from Buddha is already in my knowledge and I have read it several times:
“Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”
– Buddha –

It is a general teachings and is already included in the teachings of the Truthful Religion; there is nothing in it which specifically supports Atheism/Skepticism. Please quote something from Buddha where he supported Atheism/Skepticism specifically.

Thanks


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