Archive for the ‘Bahaism’ Category

instead of Abdul Baha , Shoghi Effendi and the UHJ following Bahaullah; Bahaullah has to follow them

May 30, 2019

 

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/my-current-version-of-hinduism.221194/#post-6123270

#5paarsurrey

I understand Bahaullah did not claim in straightforward manner anything of the sort in his core book Kitab-i-Iqan or “Book of Certitude”, please.

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Bahaullah’s claims in Iqan are “implied”,none is unequivocal

May 20, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-kitab-i-iqan-%E2%80%9Cbook-of-certitude%E2%80%9D.220566/page-3#post-6111585

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“the door to the knowledge of God is closed”

#50paarsurrey, 

It is a meaningless concept. Nobody can close the door to knowledge of God as nobody has hegemony on God-Allah-YHVH, He can give knowledge to anybody and anytime .
If Bahaullah said it, it means that he found God’s door closed for knowledge for himself (Bahaullah) and his blind-faith followers. Right, please?

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Bahaullah: Gawhar Khanum

May 17, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/page-6#post-6106497

#109paarsurrey

Bahaullah: Gawhar Khanum

I started this thread with simple questions:
Bahaullah got married with his third wife, Gawhar Khanum:

  1. who did solemnize this marriage?
  2. and on what tradition?
  3. It sure happened in the post Iqan period.

It is important to ascertain the religion Bahaullah himself followed till then.

Later with some research on internet about Gawhar Khanum- third wife of Bahaullah, I find some startling things about Bahaullah and his relationship with Gawhar Khanum :

  1. “Bahaullah’s third marriage was contracted when he lived in Baghdad. Although details are sketchy, it seems that relatives of Bahaullah arranged the marriage in Kashan, Persia, where the woman, Gawhar Khanum lived. She was then sent with her brother to Bahaullah in Baghdad. This arrangement was meant to honor both Bahaullah and Gawhar Khanum. For Bahaullah to have refused her hand in marriage would have been highly disrespectful to those involved and especially damaging to the woman’s reputation.”
  2. “Bahá’u’lláh also married Gawhar Khánum, a widow of a martyr. Her age was not known, the couple also only had one child; Furúghíyyih. Gawhar Khánum was a maid to Ásíyih Khánum.”

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It seems Bahaullah and his followers suppressed information about Gawhar Khanum and as to how Bahaullah unjustly and inhumanly dealt with her.

The above information suggests following questions/apprehensions:

  1. Gawhar Khánum was a maid to Ásíyih Khánum, how come Bahaullah established relationship with Gawhar Khánum?
  2. If the relationship was disrespectful to Gawhar Khánum, why it was not disrespectful to the other party , namely, Bahaullah?
  3. Why Gawhar Khánum’s brother had to intervene in the matter and had to ask Bahaullah to regularize it?
  4. Later when the baby-girl was of 2/3 years of age or even less, why did Bahaullah desert Gawhar Khánum and her little child to live with her (Gawhar Khánum’s) brother?
  5. What provisions did Bahaullah make for the upbringing of the baby-girl and Gawhar Khánum while they lived with her brother.
  6. Was Gawhar Khánum forced to become a Bahai?
  7. Later Gawhar Khánum and her girl-child from Bahaullah were excommunicated to deprive them their rights in Bahaullah’s property/inheritance ?

Were all the above acts just and humane, please?

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Shoghi Effendi wrongly translates Iqan

May 16, 2019

Religious Forums

#30paarsurrey

I am now at page 53 of Kitab-i-Iqan-Farsi.

At passage # 76 is written:

“Knowledge is the most grievous veil between man and his Creator.”

There are no words in Farsi-Iqan which have been translated by Shoghi Effendi as “between man and his Creator.
Further, “Knowledge is the most grievous veil” is neither a verse of Quran nor it is Hadith. Right, please?

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“The followers of Baha’u’llah are called Baha’is.” Not exactly.

May 13, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/was-bahaullah-a-bahai-please.220052/page-8#post-6102436

“The followers of Baha’u’llah are called Baha’is.”

#151paarsurrey 

Not exactly.
Whom they follow who call themselves Atheist or Agnostic or Skeptic?
Those who follow Atheism or Agnosticism or Skepticism are called Atheist or Agnostic or Skeptic.

Did Bahaullah proclaim that he was a Bahai or First Bahai or he was devising a new religion named Bahaism?
If yes, please quote from him.
Anybody please

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References to the quotes in Iqan must be provided

May 11, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/page-5#post-6099973

“The effort would be better spent looking for those references now, rather than saying they were wrong or did not exist.”

#99paarsurrey

That effort must have been made by the followers of Bahaullah, now it should be more easy. The books have been published and most if not all, I understand, are available even online. The references of all such Shia/Islam Ahadith/Narrations should be provided in the Arabic text. Now more than a century has passed, yet it has not been done. How much time Bahaullah’s followers want to take while they say Iqan is their core religious book?

I also understand that in the first hand-written or dictated Iqan had many mistakes even in the Quranic verses quoted and Bahaullah had to correct these later.

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Bahaullah misunderstood/misinterpreted/misrepresented many Quranic verses in Iqan

May 11, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/page-5#post-6099312

“misinterpretations about the truth of God”

#95paarsurrey

The points mentioned in your post has prompted me to
ask my Bahai friends here, do they believe that there have been any additions/subtractions in Quran?

My understanding as far as the misinterpretations are concerned, Bahaullah himself misunderstood/misinterpreted/misrepresented many Quranic verses he quoted in Iqan. Bahaullah was not much different than the contemporary divines/clergy against whom he had many complaints.

Right, please?

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“God Passes By”

May 10, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/page-5#post-6098683

“God Passes By”

#87paarsurrey

What is this God that has passed by?
Does it means death of Bahaullah?

Anybody, please

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“God sends His Messengers in each age God choose to do so.”

#89paarsurrey

How does that one get from the words “God passes by”? I am asking because English is not my mother-tongue.

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#91paarsurrey

We change the phrase “God passes by” with “Tom* passes by” or “Tom passed away”, what will this/these new phrases mean, please?

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*Tom, Dick and Harry

 

Bahaullah’s claim of god-head?!

May 9, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/was-bahaullah-a-bahai-please.220052/page-8#post-6097154

#142 paarsurrey

This could be one’s personal view/belief, one must have made this view because ofambiguous writings* of Bahaullah, and he was a master/clever of ambiguity. Himself believing in nothing of his many ambiguous claims Bahaullah made others to believe them.

In the above quote the words “He” and “Who” have been capitalized for giving Bahaullah a special (supernatural )status (by the translator, maybe, Shoghi Effendi) above a normal human being. Not even a Pauline-Pagan-Christian would have created such ambiguity in normal writing about Jesus.

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I quote here a post #110 InvxxxxxxSep 29, 2018 of one Bahai friend here:

@Invxxxxxx I disagree with saying that Baha’is make no distinction between God, and Baha’u’llah. I know some Baha’is who do, and some who don’t.”

Invxxxxxxxxxx said:

I didn’t mean any one who has a Bahai membership. I meant a perfect Baha’i, like Abdulbaha would not make any distinction between Bahaullah and God. Do you think Abdulbaha made any distinction between God and Bahaullah? Did not Abdulbaha believe who ever has seen Bahaullah, has seen God?

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Bahaullah – Prophet or God?
Bahaullah – Prophet or God? The Bahai Awareness Homepage

#146  paarsurrey

Does one mean that our friend @Invxxxxxxx is not a Bahai? Or he attributed god-head about Bahaullah wrongly (post #110).
And then why this trickery (of Capitalization or De-Capitalization) done by Shoghi Effendi in Iqan* against the norms of English language.

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*Kitab-i-Iqan which is my focus as I read it.

 

Why did Bahaullah use the term”Manifestation of God”?

May 8, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/was-bahaullah-a-bahai-please.220052/page-7#post-6096222

#134 paarsurrey

“Manifestation of God” is a term coined by Bahaullah himself and used by him frequently for his own self. Except for the errant Pauline-Pagan-Christianity we don’t find this term so frequently used by other messengers of God like Moses and Muhammad.
Did Bahaullah coin this term and use it so often for himself as claiming of messenger/prophet of G-d in a straightforward and unequivocal form it would have entailed a death-penalty from G-d to Bahaullah?
Right, please?

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From Torah:

Deuteronomy 18:20 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
20 “‘But if a prophet presumptuously speaks a word in my name which I didn’t order him to say, or if he speaks in the name of other gods, then that prophet must die.’
Bible Gateway passage: Deuteronomy 18:20 – Complete Jewish Bible

Quran:
AYAH al-Haqqah 69:44-46
Sher Ali[​IMG] And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to US,

We would, surely, have seized him by the right hand,
And then, surely, WE would have cut his life-vein,​

al-Haqqah 69:46

#137 paarsurrey, 

One should have known what Persian/Arabic words Bahaullah used. Kindly ascertain it and then let us know, please.
Bahaullah should have used the words messenger/prophet (rasul/nabiyy), the most commonly understood words, yet he did not do it and coined other words. Right, please?
Perhaps he had no message from God or he had no revelation from G-d, so he could not truly use these words for himself. Right, please?

Regards