Archive for the ‘Allah’ Category

The best references in the Quran

January 22, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=4277&start=40

morda8 wrote:

I am at the moment trying to shed some light on the Quran to a Muslim friend of mine would anyone please give me the best Surahs and verses to refer to?

This person knows Arabic and has a Quran at home.

Thanks

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend morda8

I mention here two short Surahs for you:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 1: Al-Fatihah

[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[1:2] All praise belongs to Allah, Lord of all the worlds,
[1:3] The Gracious, the Merciful,
[1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1:5] Thee alone do we worship and Thee alone do we implore for help.
[1:6] Guide us in the right path —
[1:7] The path of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy blessings, those who have not incurred Thy displeasure, and those who have not gone astray.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=1

The Holy Quran : Chapter 112: Al-Ikhlas

[112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:2] Say, ‘He is Allah, the One;
[112:3] ‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:4] ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
[112:5] ‘And there is none like unto Him.’

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=112

These are ones of the most read Surahs of Quran.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

“The Name Allah: Quid Pro Quo on the Christian Community”

January 18, 2010

Courtesy Jebatmustdie.wordpress.com
http://jebatmustdie.wordpress.com/2009/01/31/the-name-allah-quid-pro-quo-on-the-christian-community/

The Name Allah: Quid Pro Quo on the Christian Community
January 31, 2009 by jebatmustdie

Jebatmustdie says:

Again, we are fortunate to have our regular reader Apocryphalist to send us an article regarding the issue of using Allah’s name in Malay bibles. This write up deals about a question – shouldn’t ’Allah’ be used in all bibles in the world too? An outlook that should be pondered by anyone. I hope this article will be read by the relevant authorities as well. Thank you.
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The illustrious Malaysian Christian community have repeatedly asked that the name of Allah be allowed to be used in their bible, and the Malaysian government has repeatedly disallowed it for reasons of purity and sanctity: that by doing so is like admitting that that same Allah is the one who has a begotten son, shares the credit of creation with 2 other godhoods or godheads and teaches that everyone is born in sin and therefore registers a place in hellfire unless he/she admits that this begotten son of his was let to die to redeem for that original sin. Of course what seems to be a minor religious quagmire has now turned to a pseudo-political major imbroglio especially when the muslims on the other hand assert that those very same entity by the name Allah refute those very dogmatic ideologies and (islamic-wise) blasphemies in the Quran. As long as both parties sweep the issue under the carpet, and not highlight too much on differences and focus on similarities and converging points of beliefs, the two religions enjoy peaceful and harmonious coexistence, especially on the top levels.

But the issue on deity names have been thought of as threading on the shaky paths of conflict. I have dealt with this issue in a writing on Nov 12, 8:21 am in a much more concise albeit humorous manner. I think it is time for the Christians in Malaysia to play a role if they really are serious about this issue: putting the name Allah in the bible should be allowed by the Government of Malaysia only if the local christians believe sincerely in their heart that this is the REAL name of God. And sincerity means they should not have any problem in doing the following:-
(i) To collectively write a petition to the Pope as the Head of the Catholic church to insert the name Allah in every issue of the bible. No new copies of the bible in whatever language existing in the world today should be printed without the name Allah replacing “God” or “Lord”
(ii) A similar letter to the heads of all other denominations of the christian churches the world over urging them to do the same.
(iii) A formal declaration by the Pope and other denomination heads ascertaining that the real name of the deity as mentioned in the bible is indeed Allah.
(iv) An admission that as far as truth is concerned, the direct word as spoken by Allah (in whichever scripture) takes precendence in truth compared to indirect references by any third party humans.
Oh what a great place the world would be if 3 billion people in the world believe in the same thing. With this in mind, will the Christians in Malaysia do it? Write this letter?
No? Thought so. Well if not, will they at least sign the petition below? We get a few thousand signatures, send it to the holy see, wait for a reply on the declarations as well as new bibles from Tanganyika right up to Alaska printed with the name Allah in it, and we get those bibles locally printed with the name Allah in it, all sponsored by the Malaysian government.
Onwards, Christian Soldiers. Quid Pro Quo!
Pope Benedict XVI
Holy See, Vatican
Rome, Italy
Your Holiness Pope,
In the Name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful[1]
(i) We, the Christian peoples of Malaysia as undersigned below, would like to obtain a holy decree from you ascertaining that the name of the Deity mentioned in the bible is indeed Allah.
(ii) For more than 20 centuries this Deity has not been mentioned by name and we now understand that His holy name is Allah, the same one that has been used in the Quran of the Muslims.
(iii) In the event that we obtain this decree from you, we would also like to request that each and every copy of the bible in this world at present and the ones printed in the future shall bear the name Allah too.
(iv) What would your holy order be regarding the teachings of Allah as promulgated in the Quran seeing how, as mentioned in (i) above, this God is no different from ours. In particular what would your holiness imply as regards to dogmatic issues in the new testaments especially the ones formulated by Saul of Tarsus (who have never met Jesus in person) as opposed to ones whom this Allah directly teaches in the Quran.
We would more than appreciate it if you can respond favourably to this and have some indication dates on when can the world-wide bibles be re-printed with this name Allah in it, so that we ourslves may enjoy this name to be mentioned in our own bible here in Malaysia.
Thank You
We, the Christian Community of Malaysia as undersigned:-
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[1] We have even started the ball rolling, with the use of the Name here.
By,
Apocryphalist

Paarsurrey says:

I have just reproduced above the sentiments of the Malay Christians as envisaged in the article to use the name Allah for the Creator- God Allah YHWH, in all the Bibles of the world. We welcome this move of the peaceful Christians, if they agree with it. Quran/Islam/Muhammad did not invent the word Allah for the Creator God; this was already being extensively used in Arabian Peninsula by everybody Arab, in my opinio. It has no trade-mark; and can be used for everybody. The Arabic Bible already uses it. It is a welcome peaceful endeavor.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Portions or parts of OT and or NT in meaning could be accepted as the Word of God and truthful

January 9, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/was-joseph-smith-junior-a-messengerprophet-of-jesus-and-not-of-god-allah-yhwh/#comment-839

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friends

I agree with our friend ditchu when he says to sch “You obviously think the word of God is dead and thus he speaks no more to man.”

Nobody could put restrictions on the Creator- God Allah YHWH, not to speak with the human beings anymore.

Presently the Creator- God Allah YHWH has spoken to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 and God has appointed him the Second Coming and the Promised Messiah, as a follower of Muhammad.The Bible- the OT, originally contained Word of God or a portion of it in meanings and similarly the NT may contain portion or parts of the Word of God in meaning only not in its original form.

These portions or parts of the Word of God in OT and or NT, if they agree with Quran, then they are correct otherwise incorrect.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Bible presents Jesus as a confused man

November 11, 2009

Eddie wrote:

“Bible presents Jesus as a confused man…” perhaps you could give an example of such confusion.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend Eddie,

Quran presents Jesus as a straightforward man; who would say things in an unequivocal terms except when he was talking in parables or allegoric words, which is a form of expressions of the languages all over the world; which is understandable from the clues in the text; it is weird to take such parables as of fact or in real terms.

Jesus was a man – a prefect man like so many others in all the nations and all the regions of the world; and as such he was loved one of the Creator- God Allah YHWH that is why he might have sometimes expressed himself it in terms of son of God, if he ever said like that. He was also in perfect image of the Creator, like so many others in all the nations and all the regions of the world, which the simple minded deserting, unfaithful and superstitious disciples mistook as if he was god.

Jesus also mentioned himself as son of Adam or Son of Man; which only meant that Jesus approved that Adam and Eve were innocent ; whatever mistake they had committed, they had repented it and asked forgiveness from the Creator –God Allah YHWH, and they were forgiven. Jesus so much appreciated it he took Adam as his father.

Jesus abhors all such claims of being son of god or god or part of any trinity. These are only wrong concepts of the cunning Paul and the sinful and deserting disciples whom Jesus never trusted, in my opinion.

The confusion is not in Jesus but in the writings of the sinful scribes and cunning Paul; they projected him like a confused person, never telling things in straightforward manner.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Peaceful Spread of Islam in the World

November 11, 2009

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4713

Centaur wrote:

islam spread violently and forcefully in 90 percent of the now islamic world.A few exceptions are indonesia and may be malaysia and some islands in that region, where islam spread thru trade.

Now it’s migration jihad and womb jihad because a large scale violent jihad is no longer possible atleast for now.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friends

I sometimes wonder as to how the wrong notions stretch even to the minds of my intelligent Atheists Agnostic friends and they side with the opponents of Islam unjustifiably. Islam spread very peacefully since its inception in the world. Just see following lines and correct your notions to prove that you people rightly believe in the freedom of thought freedom of action and the spirit of discovery:

The Spread of Islam started shortly after the death of the Islamic prophet Muhammad in 632. Trade networks connected many regions which helped the spread of Islam. During his lifetime, the community of Muslims, the ummah, was established in the Arabian Peninsula by means of conversion to Islam.

The activities of this quasi-political early ummah resulted in the spread of Islam as far from Mecca as China and Indonesia, the latter containing the world’s largest Muslim population. Today there are between 1.1 billion and 1.8 billion Muslims, making Islam the second-largest religion in the world.[1]

The activities of this quasi-political early ummah resulted in the spread of Islam as far from Mecca as China and Indonesia, the latter containing the world’s largest Muslim population. Today there are between 1.1 billion and 1.8 billion Muslims, making Islam the second-largest religion in the world.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spread_of_Islam

Please don’t side with the Christians, Jews and the Hindus, just for convenience and politics.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Islam poses no threat to the freedom of thought, freedom of action and the spirit of discovery

November 9, 2009

Hi friends

Islam not only frees the body but the soul of the human beings. Of course one could achieve such ideals without trampling on the civil right of the others. It is for this that the Creator – God Allah YHWH sends his word of guidance on the perfect men called Messengers Prophets in all nations and regions of the world. These were the persons who got freed themselves regions physically, morally and spirituality. They never trampled on the rights of others; rather they gave them the rights even if they had to forgo their own rights:

[8:39] Say to those who disbelieve, if they desist, that which is past will be forgiven them; and if they return thereto, then verily, the example of the former peoples has already gone before them. [8:40] And fight them until there is no persecution and religion is wholly for Allah. But if they desist, then surely Allah is Watchful of what they do. [8:41] And if they turn their backs, then know that Allah is your Protector. What an excellent Protector and what an excellent Helper!

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=8&verse=34

Muhammad was one such person; the cream of the humanity. He relinquished his rights but he fought for the rights of the persecuted and to establish the free will for everybody.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Quran/Islam will spread to the corners of the Earth

November 9, 2009

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4783

Apostate wrote:

We will see Demise of Islam in our own lifetime

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friends

As per the system of successor-ship mentioned in Quran, the above is not going to happen, for sure:

[24:52] The response of the believers, when they are called to Allah and His Messenger in order that he may judge between them, is only that they say: ‘We hear and we obey.’ And it is they who will prosper.
[24:53] And whoso obeys Allah and His Messenger, and fears Allah, and takes Him as a shield for protection, it is they who will be successful.
[24:54] And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that, if thou command them, they will surely go forth. Say, ‘Swear not; what is required is actual obedience in what is right. Surely, Allah is well aware of what you do.’
[24:55] Say, ‘Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger.’ But if you turn away, then upon him is his burden, and upon you is your burden. And if you obey him, you will be rightly guided. And the messenger is not responsible but for the plain delivery of the Message.

[24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.

[24:57] And observe Prayer and give the Zakat and obey the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy.
[24:58] Think not that those who disbelieve can frustrate Our plan in the earth; their abode is Hell; and it is indeed an evil resort.
[24:59] O ye who believe! let those whom your right hands possess, and those of you who have not attained to puberty, ask leave of you at three times before coming into your presence: before the morning Prayer, and when you take off your clothes at noon in summer, and after the night Prayer. These are three times of privacy for you. At times other than these there is no blame on you or on them, for they have to move about waiting upon you, some of you attending upon others. Thus does Allah make plain to you the Signs; for Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[24:60] And when the children among you attain to puberty, they too should ask permission, even as those mentioned before them asked permission. Thus does Allah make plain to you His commandments; and Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … 4&verse=50

With the advent of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908; the dark age of Islam is ended and Islam has taken a new turn as prophesized by Muhammad himself.

Islam would spread to the corners of the Earth as revealed on the Second Coming 1835-1908 very peacefully and with bright arguments convincing everybody on this planet to the fold of Islam.

We are not worried about the apostates; they would also be welcome home.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Jesus never had any girlfriends; why should the others have?

November 9, 2009

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4791&p=78885#p78885

planck wrote:

Okay, I’ll agree with you. The Quran is the word of God…for sure. I’ll accept that.

Now, what does that mean for me? Can I beat my wife/girlfriend as is God’s word in 4:34? Can I start waging war on the infidels….as is God’s word in 9:29? Am I not supposed to take Christians and Jews as friends? Am I supposed to believe that the Jews are children of Apes and Pigs…..all that good stuff?

How soon can I start a jihad on the kafirs? How soon should I start transforming my great country and implement sharia law, just like Saudi Arabia?

If the Quran is the word of God, then God is a terrible writer.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend Planck

I thank you for accepting Quran as the word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. It is indeed very natural to accept that fact.

You don’t have to start now doing anything mentioned by you:

1. You don’t have to beat your wife; Muhammad never did that.
2. You don’t have to wage war on the infidels. That was allowed only for a limited time due to the persecution of Muslims by the infidels. It is no more valid in the present scenario as prophesized by Muhammad himself. The Promised Messiah 1835-1908- Imam Mahdi has abolished such killings and explained the concept of Jihad from Quran.
3. One cannot have any girlfriends to have sex with; Jesus never had any girlfriends, why should the others do such things. One should be sincere with the girls, and if one wants, one could marry anyone of them.
4. You can have surely good Jews and good Christians as your friends; only at the time of war that was prohibited and cautioned. Please read #2 above.
5. Jews and Christians of our times are human beings; must be respected and loved as anyone else. They are not monkeys or pigs; who told you that?
6. You can read Quran and after understanding its logical and reasonable arguments and with your good character; you could convince others for the truth of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; that is the concept of Jihad.
7. There is no Sharia Law named in Quran; that might be the concept of Saudi Arabia, only. Saudi Arabia do not represent Quran/Islam/Muhammad.

Quran is a Word from the Merciful and Beneficent Creator – God Allah YHWH.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

“Are Allah and YHWH one and the same?”

October 31, 2009

“Are Allah and YHWH one and the same?”

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4266&p=77279#p77279

Nicolei wrote:

There are Christians and Jews today who believe that YHVH and Allah is the same God

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend Nicolei

So, I think generally the Jews and the Muslims agree that YHWH and Allah is the same Creator-God Allah YHWH. Since Jesus was never a Christian himself; he was a Jew; so he won’t dislike being a Servant of Allah.

You know this is mentioned in Quran; and Allah is a witness to it; He alone is sufficient as a witness.

Quran mentions certain attributes of the Creator-God Allah YHWH; that would define in detail the person of God Allah YHWH.

It is obvious that Muslims and Jews don’t believe in the Trinity which was later invented by Paul/Church; it had nothing to do with Jesus. Trinity is a mistake of the Catholics and Protestants.

I love Jesus and Mary a mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

No “Good without God?”: Jesus neither god nor Son of god

October 29, 2009

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/2009/10/good_without_god/comments.html

Hi friends

It is no good without the Creator-God Allah YHWH. It is very unnatural not to believe in the Creator- God Allah YHWH. It is just like believing that one was born without one’s parents. One has not seen one’s father mating with one’s mother even then one believes that one has a father. One has not seen one’s mother giving one birth yet one is not in doubt of one’ mother; so one very naturally believes in one’s mother and father and is never in doubt.

One knows that one’s mother and father had taken pains in upbringing one; they did it with love in a very natural way. It is no good without the father and mother; and in the same way it is no good without the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

Through the parents the Creator-God Allah YHWH gives us a taste of His Grace, Mercy.

We got born of our parents; when we were nothing; if left unattended, unfed we would have not survived and died in our infancy, not even knowing that we were ever born. From infancy, we reached childhood, adulthood, old age; so it all evolved very naturally. It is against evolution and progression not believing in the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

All we see in the Universe is the Work of the Creator- God Allah YHWH. All our knowledge and sciences are based on knowing the laws of nature that the Creator has set in motion; without His Work, there would be no knowledge and no sciences.

It is his benevolence that He did not leave us alone and through the perfect men called Messengers Prophets he sent his Revelations so that we may know about his attributes and other things most essential for our ethical, moral and spiritual advancement; from the unseen realm. This is called the Word of the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

I think without the Work of God or without the Word of god; we will be worse off in our lives.

Is there a doubt in Allah the Creator of the heavens and earth? (Quran)
Jesus was however not a god or a Son of god.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Musli