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Islam would be number one religion in the West (including America)‎

July 9, 2009‎largest-religion/‎

‎16. paarsurrey Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:46 am ‎

Hi friends

I believe that Muslims numbers will increase as Muslims have more children than others ‎‎in the West. They pray five times a day and keep fasting in Ramadhan and perform Hajj; ‎‎this keeps them well knit and religious.

With the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908; the Promised Messiah and Imam ‎‎Mahdi (the peaceful Reformer of the Revealed Religions of the World) the scenario has ‎‎been changed; the peaceful teachings of Islam/Quran/Muhammad have been highlighted ‎‎by him; and under his banner all the religions would unite peacefully. He has come as a ‎‎successor of Muhammad, so his convincing, rational and logical arguments would do this ‎‎job as destined by God Allah YHWH.‎
The result would be opening of the hearts and minds of the West and others for ‎‎Islam/Quran/Muhammad; but there should be no worry for anybody as it would be done ‎‎peacefully; and this is what West wants.‎

So Islam would be number one religion this way in the West (including America), I ‎believe.

All humans are but a family; love for all, hatred for none.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Quran – the Spoken Word of God, recorded naturally; remains secure and protected word ‎for word, letter for letter and dot for dot‎

July 1, 2009‎authentic/#comments

‎15. Ibn Kammuna Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 11:01 pm ‎

I do appreciate Ahmadis and their peaceful way of life.

Now, I would like to ask you something: When you look at how the Qur’an was ‎collected, and compare it to how the Hadith was collected, the conclusion that Mr. ‎Mumin Salih reaches is valid. Hadith is more reliable than the Qur’an.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Ibn Kammuna

I appreciate your words of sympathy for Ahmadis, who are being persecuted by ignorant ‎Traditional Muslims for nothing. May God Allah YHWH bless you!

Quran is Word of God revealed/descended on the heart of Muhammad under a ‎remarkable natural system, which no other “Book” in this world has ever had; and that ‎also proves that it is not authored by Muhammad; but it is from God Allah YHWH.

I don’t agree with the information given by Mumin Saleh about the collection of Quran in ‎his write up in the beginning of this discussion. I would like to mention the way the ‎Quran was revealed and that would also dispel any doubts in the mind of viewers of this ‎discussion about Quran:‎

The text of none of the sacred Scriptures, claimed to‎
have been revealed before the Quran, has been preserved intact.‎
They have all been interfered with to such an extent that an
earnest seeker after truth finds it impossible to adopt any of‎
them as a practical guide for right conduct. In contrast with
this, the text of the Quran has been preserved intact and every
word of it has come down to us as free from interference and
interpolation as when it was revealed to the Holy Prophet
one thousand four hundred years ago.‎

The Quran began to be revealed at the outset of the Mission
of the Holy Prophet. The first revelation, comprising only a
few verses, was received by him in the Hira Cave. Thereafter
the revelation continued till his death. Thus the total period
during which the entire Quran was revealed extended to
twenty-three years. ‎

We know, on the basis of the testimony of
his contemporaries, that in the beginning revelation came to the
Prophet at intervals and in small bits, but as time passed it
grew both in volume and in frequency till in the last years
of his life it swelled into an almost continuous stream. ‎

One reason for this, among others, was that the teachings contained
in this revelation were altogether novel and it was not easy
for people to grasp their full significance. Therefore the Quran
was revealed in small portions in the beginning. But after
the basic principles of Islam had been fully grasped and it
became comparatively easy for people to understand the teachings
and the topics dealt with in the Quran, the revelation began‎
to arrive faster and in larger volume. ‎

The object was that all
Muslims should be enabled fully to grasp the teachings of the
Quran. Another reason was that the number of Muslims was
very small in the beginning and, as God intended that the text
of the Quran should be scrupulously preserved and that it
should not become the subject of any doubt, only small portions
were revealed at a time in the beginning and there was always
an interval, sometimes extending to several months, between
the revelation of one group of verses and the next. ‎

In this manner the few Muslims were enabled to commit the whole
revelation to memory, so as to place the matter of the preservation‎
of the text beyond doubt. When the number of Muslims
began to increase and the safe-guarding and preservation of the
text of the Quran became easier, the revelation began to arrive
faster. ‎

Towards the close of the Holy Prophet’s life the number
of Muslims exceeded a hundred thousand and the memorizing
of the Quran became very easy. At that time the revelation
came faster still. By this divine plan the purity of the text of
the Quran was placed beyond doubt.‎

During the Caliphate of ‘Uthman seven copies of the Quran‎
were despatched to different parts of the Muslim world and they
in turn became the standard texts from which other copies were
made and thereafter in each generation hundreds of thousands
of people have been in the habit of committing the entire text
of the Quran to memory. ‎

Even the bitterest enemies of Islam
do not allege that any interference with the text of the Quran has
taken place since the time of ‘Uthman. Those who seek to
raise doubts regarding the purity of the text of the Quran direct
their criticism to the period between the death of the Holy
Prophet and the Caliphate of ‘Uthman.‎

Whenever any portion of the Quran was revealed to the Holy
Prophet, he used to commit it to memory and, as he continuously
recited the Quran from one end to the other, he always
carried the whole of the revealed Quran at all times in his
memory. In addition to this the following devices were
adopted for safe-guarding and preserving intact the text of
the Quran :‎

I think it reasonably explains that the text of the Quran as spoken by God Allah YHWH ‎to Muhammad is secure without any doubt.‎
Love for all; hatred for none.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Why can a tree not think? Does a tree have awareness? If not, why not?

June 7, 2009

Ron Ash, our Agnostic friend, says:

I Am that I Am

Paarsurrey sasy:

Hi friend Ron Ash

Please explain what you mean by these words “I Am that I Am”.

Are you in a doubt about yourself that you repeat “I am”, “I am” to assure yourself that you are very much alive?

Please express yourself fully.

paul8bee Says:

It is like this. If you have awareness, then that awareness is aware that you are aware. So Beware, Only a person who is self aware can think.

Can a tree think and respond, to the fact that it is a tree? I hope this helps.

I had a great day yesterday, just feeling things; no higher power there at all, just plain old feeling.

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend paul8bee

Why can a tree not think? Does a tree have awareness? If not, why not?
Please make us wise with your wisdom.


I love Buddha and Socrates; wise men from God Allah YHWH- the Most and All-Wise.

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

What kind of hope do Atheists have?

June 6, 2009

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Ron Ash

I don’t think it is a consistent or natural and scientific stance. It is good that you have a hope, love and faith. How does Jesus advise you or angels from God Allah YHWH guide you. Do you think you are an Apostle like Paul or Joseph Smith or you are different form them?

What kind of hope do Atheists have?

It is good that Truth is your religion.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Ron Ash said:

I belong to all denominations and no denominations. My faith is that of hope, love and faith. Truth is my religion. Jesus advises me and I am guided by angels to do what God sends me to do. I Am an Apostle and all that it means to be.

Tell me a little about yourself.

You can see comments of Ron Ash on my post here:

The stance of the Atheists Agnostics is a confused stance, and not a consistent one. It is neither natural nor scientific

June 6, 2009

It is proved that Jesus was neither accursed, nor did he go to hell for three days, nor did he suffer death on Cross; so Jesus went to heaven in forty days, is proved to be wrong

June 5, 2009

Maaark says:

Thank you for the explanation of Ahmadi.

About mankind’s condition; I believe the Bible addresses three fundamental questions for mankind;
1-What is the nature and character of our Creator?
2- What is the nature of mankind and what is our problem?
3- Therefore what shall we do?

#2 the nature of man;

Do Muslims believe mankind (male and female) has a special relationship to God different from all other animals? Bible calls this made in the image of God. Evolutionists do not recognize this distinction.

What is sin? are all mankind prone to sin? Does sin separate people from God? Is there a special word or concept of sin in the Koran that is different from the Bible?

Does the Koran accept the Genesis account of Adam and Eve and their sin? (long question so sumerize)

Paarsurrey says:

I will give you a reply in brief:

1. Yes, Quran does specify a special relationship between God Allah YHWH and the human beings. The animals have been created for service and benefit of the human beings.

2. Yes, Quran does mention that the human beings could acquire in their limited beings, the attributes of God Allah YHWH; this is the same thing as saying in the image of God but never a god.

3. Quran mentions that human beings are apt to sin; to avoid from sins one needs constant help from God to uproot the sins before they grow up in our selves; and if we commit a sin then submissively ask forgiveness with a resolve not to commit the sin again. Adam did make a mistake but since he asked forgiveness, he was forgiven by God Allah YHWH. Sins are not transferable or are not herditary.

4. Quran does not mention that Adam or Eve were the first human beings born; Adam was the first human being honoured to have Converse of God Allah YHWH. Man evolved physically in billions of years till man reached a stange responsible to receive Converse with God.

The sins are actions done in rebellion of God Allah YHWH; when a human being does acts that are out of the image of God or the attributes of God; that could be described as a sin.

When off the image; man is obviously distanced from God; while his goal is to attain nearness of God; not physically, but attributively, one has to attain nearness of Him.

I think it will be appropriate here to quote from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah, and the Second Coming, to illustrate it further:

Apart from this, it was necessary that he should escape death on the cross, for it was stated in the Holy Book that whoever was hanged on the wood was accursed. It is a cruel and an unjust blasphemy to attribute a curse to an eminent person like Jesus, the Messiah, for, according to the agreed view of all who know the language, la’nat, or curse, has reference to the state of one’s heart.

A man would be said to be accursed when his heart, having been estranged from God, becomes really dark; when, deprived of divine mercy and of divine love, devoid absolutely of His Knowledge, blinded like the devil, he becomes filled with the poison of unbelief; when there remains not a ray of divine love and knowledge in him; when the bond of loyalty is broken, and between him and God there arises hatred and contempt and spite and hostility, so much so that God and he become mutual enemies; and when God becomes weary of him and he becomes weary of God; in short, when he becomes an heir to all the attributes of the Devil — and that is why the Devil himself is called accursed.3

It is clear that the significance of the word Mal’un, viz. accursed, is so foul that it can never apply to any righteous person who entertains love of God in his heart. Alas! Christians did not ponder over the significance of a curse when they invented this belief; else, it were impossible for them to have used such a bad word for a righteous man like Jesus. Can we say that Jesus’ heart was ever really estranged from God; that he had denied God, that he hated Him and had become His enemy?

Can we ever think that Jesus had ever felt in his heart that he was estranged from God, that he was an enemy of God, and that he was immersed in the darkness of unbelief and denial? If, then, Jesus had never been in such a state of mind, that his heart was always full of love and the light of Divine Knowledge, is it for you, wise people, to ponder whether we can ever say that, not one, but thousands of curses from God had descended upon the heart of Jesus with all their evil significance? Never. Then, how can we say that he was, God forbid, accursed?

It is a pity that once a man has given utterance to something, when he has taken his stand upon a particular belief, he is not inclined to give up that belief, however much the absurdity thereof be exposed. Desire to attain salvation, if grounded upon true foundations, is a praiseworthy thing, but where is the sense in having a desire for salvation which kills truth and which countenances, regarding a holy prophet arid a perfect man, the belief that he had as it were passed through a state in which he had been estranged from God, and in which, instead of unity of heart and unity of inclination, there had been produced a strangeness and aloofness, enmity and hatred; and, instead of light, darkness had surrounded his heart?

Let it also be noticed that this not only detracts from the prophethood and apostleship of Jesus (on whom be the peace of God) but it is also derogatory to his claim to spiritual eminence, holiness, love, and knowledge of God, to which he has repeatedly given expression in the gospels. Just look through the Bible; therein Jesus clearly claims that he is the Light of the world, that he is the Guide, and that he stands in a relation of great love towards God; that he has been honoured by a clean birth, and that he is the loved Son of God.

How then, in spite of these pure and holy relations, can a curse, with all its significance, be attributed to Jesus? No, never. Therefore, there is no doubt that Jesus was not crucified, i.e., he did not die on the Cross, for his personality did not deserve the underlying consequence of death on the Cross. Not having been crucified, he was spared the impure implications of a curse, and no doubt it also proves that he did not go to heaven, for going to heaven formed part of this whole scheme and was a consequence of the idea of his having been crucified. Therefore, when it is proved that he was neither accursed, nor did he go to hell for three days, nor did he suffer death the other part of the scheme, namely, that he went to heaven, is proved to be wrong.

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

All the revealed religions of the World unite under the banner of Muhammad, for temporal, moral and spiritual uplift of the human beings

June 3, 2009

maaark Says:

Please tell more about Ahmadi Muslims; why they different from others?
What do Muslims believe about the human condition? Does all mankind rebel against Allah? Are there some perfect humans?

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend maark

Welcome to ask a question.

With Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908; all the Revealed Religions of the world stand revived. The Message of Krishna or Buddha in India; or Zoroaster in Persia; or Moses and Jesus in Judea or Socrates in Greece got diluted due to the passage of time.

The Message of God Allah YHWH has been the same; belief in ONENESS of God and following the Messenger sent by Him.

Almost all Revealed Religions of the world talk of the Second Coming of their religious hero or personage at the end of the days; that person is Mirza Ghulam Ahamd. He is Iman Mahdi, the Promised Messiah of the Muslims; Jesus’ Second Coming of the Christians; Krishna and Buddha’s Meitereyya etc.

He is a successor of Muhammad and follows the Quran; the last Word of God; which is inclusive of all the true teachings and act of all the Messengers Prophets of God.

This way all the revealed religions of the World unite under the banner of Muhammad, for temporal, moral and spiritual uplift of the human beings.

All Messengers of God Allah YHWH in any part of the world were innocent and perfect human beings; they were selected as a role model for their people.

I don’t think any one can really rebel against Allah; He rewards and punishes as per a set system of His attributes.

I think this answers your question in brief.

I love Jesus, Moses, Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster and Socrates.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Quran respects the Jews and the Christians but elucidates their fallacies and mistakes very firmly

May 28, 2009

Cindyinsd says:

We are told here that, if we do not believe what is written, we should check with the People of the Book. I am among the people of the Book, and I tell you clearly: The Quran is not verified by the Book. Therefore, it is not truth by its own barometer.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend cindyinsd

I think I sent you an e-mail telling you that Bible is no barometer of the truth of Quran. Quran is truthful irrespective whether Bible makes mistakes. Bible has to independently prove for its truthfulness; which it does not.

Quran is a straightforward book. If someone gets a wrong conclusion from a verse in Quran at a place due to his misunderstanding; Quran spells it out at another place to clear the doubt. Since you have got a Quran in hard cover as you have stated; you may like to see verse 5:70-79:

[5:70] إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ وَٱلَّذِينَ هَادُواْ وَٱلصَّـٰبِـُٔونَ وَٱلنَّصَـٰرَىٰ مَنۡ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلۡيَوۡمِ ٱلۡأَخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَـٰلِحً۬ا فَلَا خَوۡفٌ عَلَيۡهِمۡ وَلَا هُمۡ يَحۡزَنُونَ
[5:70] Surely, those who have believed, and the Jews, and the Sabians, and the Christians — whoso believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds, on them shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve.

[5:71] لَقَدۡ أَخَذۡنَا مِيثَـٰقَ بَنِىٓ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلَ وَأَرۡسَلۡنَآ إِلَيۡہِمۡ رُسُلاً۬‌ۖ ڪُلَّمَا جَآءَهُمۡ رَسُولُۢ بِمَا لَا تَهۡوَىٰٓ أَنفُسُہُمۡ فَرِيقً۬ا ڪَذَّبُواْ وَفَرِيقً۬ا يَقۡتُلُونَ
[5:71] Surely, We took a covenant from the children of Israel, and We sent Messengers to them. But every time there came to them a Messenger with what their hearts desired not, they treated some as liars, and some they sought to kill.

[5:72] وَحَسِبُوٓاْ أَلَّا تَكُونَ فِتۡنَةٌ۬ فَعَمُواْ وَصَمُّواْ ثُمَّ تَابَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَيۡهِمۡ ثُمَّ عَمُواْ وَصَمُّواْ ڪَثِيرٌ۬ مِّنۡہُمۡ‌ۚ وَٱللَّهُ بَصِيرُۢ بِمَا يَعۡمَلُونَ
[5:72] And they thought there would be no punishment, so they became blind and deaf. But Allah turned to them in mercy; yet again many of them became blind and deaf; and Allah is Watchful of what they do.

[5:73] لَقَدۡ ڪَفَرَ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓاْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ هُوَ ٱلۡمَسِيحُ ٱبۡنُ مَرۡيَمَ‌ۖ وَقَالَ ٱلۡمَسِيحُ يَـٰبَنِىٓ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلَ ٱعۡبُدُواْ ٱللَّهَ رَبِّى وَرَبَّڪُمۡ‌ۖ إِنَّهُ ۥ مَن يُشۡرِكۡ بِٱللَّهِ فَقَدۡ حَرَّمَ ٱللَّهُ عَلَيۡهِ ٱلۡجَنَّةَ وَمَأۡوَٮٰهُ ٱلنَّارُ‌ۖ وَمَا لِلظَّـٰلِمِينَ مِنۡ أَنصَارٍ۬
[5:73] Indeed they are disbelievers who say, ‘Surely, Allah is none but the Messiah, son of Mary,’ whereas the Messiah himself said, ‘O children of Israel, worship Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord.’ Surely, whoso associates partners with Allah, him has Allah forbidden Heaven, and the Fire will be his resort. And the wrongdoers shall have no helpers.

[5:74] لَّقَدۡ ڪَفَرَ ٱلَّذِينَ قَالُوٓاْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ ثَالِثُ ثَلَـٰثَةٍ۬‌ۘ وَمَا مِنۡ إِلَـٰهٍ إِلَّآ إِلَـٰهٌ۬ وَٲحِدٌ۬‌ۚ وَإِن لَّمۡ يَنتَهُواْ عَمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَيَمَسَّنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِنۡهُمۡ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ
[5:74] They are surely disbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the third of three;’ there is no God but the One God. And if they do not desist from what they say, a grievous punishment shall surely befall those of them that disbelieve.

[5:75] أَفَلَا يَتُوبُونَ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ وَيَسۡتَغۡفِرُونَهُ ۥ‌ۚ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٌ۬ رَّحِيمٌ۬
[5:75] Will they not then turn to Allah and beg His forgiveness, while Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful?

[5:76] مَّا ٱلۡمَسِيحُ ٱبۡنُ مَرۡيَمَ إِلَّا رَسُولٌ۬ قَدۡ خَلَتۡ مِن قَبۡلِهِ ٱلرُّسُلُ وَأُمُّهُ ۥ صِدِّيقَةٌ۬‌ۖ ڪَانَا يَأۡڪُلَانِ ٱلطَّعَامَ‌ۗ ٱنظُرۡ ڪَيۡفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ ٱلۡأَيَـٰتِ ثُمَّ ٱنظُرۡ أَنَّىٰ يُؤۡفَكُونَ
[5:76] The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely, Messengers like unto him had indeed passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food. See how We explain the Signs for their good, and see how they are turned away.

[5:77] قُلۡ أَتَعۡبُدُونَ مِن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ مَا لَا يَمۡلِكُ لَڪُمۡ ضَرًّ۬ا وَلَا نَفۡعً۬ا‌ۚ وَٱللَّهُ هُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلۡعَلِيمُ
[5:77] Say, ‘Will you worship beside Allah that which has no power to do you harm or good?’ And it is Allah Who is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

[5:78] قُلۡ يَـٰٓأَهۡلَ ٱلۡڪِتَـٰبِ لَا تَغۡلُواْ فِى دِينِڪُمۡ غَيۡرَ ٱلۡحَقِّ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوٓاْ أَهۡوَآءَ قَوۡمٍ۬ قَدۡ ضَلُّواْ مِن قَبۡلُ وَأَضَلُّواْ ڪَثِيرً۬ا وَضَلُّواْ عَن سَوَآءِ ٱلسَّبِيلِ
[5:78] Say, ‘O People of the Book! exceed not the limits in the matter of your religion unjustly, nor follow the evil inclinations of a people who went astray before and caused many to go astray, and who have strayed away from the right path.’

[5:79] لُعِنَ ٱلَّذِينَ ڪَفَرُواْ مِنۢ بَنِىٓ إِسۡرَٲٓءِيلَ عَلَىٰ لِسَانِ دَاوُ ۥدَ وَعِيسَى ٱبۡنِ مَرۡيَمَ‌ۚ ذَٲلِكَ بِمَا عَصَواْ وَّڪَانُواْ يَعۡتَدُونَ
[5:79] Those amongst the children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of David, and of Jesus, son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed and used to transgress.
I thin you would have noted that Quran does not support your stance that every Christian; howsoever he weirdly acts and believes is a man of the Book. It is a wrong notion, you may see it.

Quran respects the Jews and the Christians but elucidates their fallacies and mistakes.

I love Jesus and Mary as described in Quran.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

The spiritual matters have a strong relationship with the things moral and physical

May 26, 2009

Len Nederlof says:

These things are not a question of reasonable and logical arguments. They are spiritual matters and they are spiritually discerned. I am a Christian, a Jesus follower, not a Paul follower like so many others who call themselves Christian.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Len Nederlof

Sorry, I don’t agree with you. The spiritual matters have a strong relationship with the things moral and physical. The spirit moves with the body where-ever you go.

A spirit cannot exist without the body; neither the human body can lifely exists without the spirit; this amply show that the relationship of the spirit or soul is very strong.

It rather enhances our temporal being but nevertheless is most reasonable, I think.

The spiritual matters are sensible and equitable and hence are a concentrate of reason and reality; never unreasonable and illogical, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as described in Quran; not the mythical accounts of the cunning Paul and the sinful scribes in the Bible.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

What does Quran say about the Bible?

May 13, 2009

~Quran respects all the Revealed Books of all the Religions; e.g., Torah of Moses or Gita of Krishna, or revelations made to Buddha, or Zoroaster; or for that matter any book revealed on the Messenger Prophets, all over the world. Bible/Torah is one of such Revealed Book.

Wdednh says:

Thank you for your interesting reply. You’ve asked very interesting questions. But b4 I answer your questions would you please answer my questions?

You in your writings keep talking about Jesus of the Bible, and you talk about Cunning Paul and sinful scribes of the Bible, you talk about Love you have for Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran. Now would you please tell me?

(1)What does Quran say about the Bible?
(2) What does Quran say about Mary?
(3) Does Quran mention virgin birth of JESUS CHRIST?
(4)And if Quran mentions the virgin birth, what does it say the virgin was conceived by?
(5) Also what is your thought on Israel as a country and as a Nation?

So please tell me what QURAN says and if you are a true follower of it?

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend wdednh

English is not my mother language; so, I am not familiar with the American or English proverbs and phrases. I had to google to find out the meaning and history of the proverb “The proof is in the pudding”. Thanks for introducing one to me.


What does Quran say about the Bible?


Quran respects all the Revealed Books of all the Religions; e.g., Torah of Moses or Gita of Krishna, or revelations made to Buddha, or Zoroaster; or for that matter any book revealed on the Messenger Prophets, all over the world. Bible/Torah is one of such Revealed Book. An Ahmadi peaceful Muslim has to believe that the persons on whom these books were revealed were truthful persons. Bible/Torah is said to be revealed on Moses; though I personally think that Genesis was not revealed on Moses.

Since God Allah YHWH sent the Messengers with Divine Guidance, so Quran on broader basis confirms the original revelations to be true; and a Muslim cannot be a Muslim if he denies this basis. Not withstanding the above Quran makes a distinction between the Word of Revelation in origin, and the present form it is found now; some part conforming with the origin and some getting diluted by hands of its followers.

No Muslim believes that the present Torah or the present Gospels entirely retain the form of the origin; these are mixed up now.

The Messengers Prophets on whom these books were revealed were the truthful Messengers Prophets of God Allah YHWH; the revelations were also truthful in the origin, but unfortunately, the followers of these books made them tainted. This could be observed, easily by reading those books.

The books are hardly found protected and secured with a fool proof system; having not the same text, word for word and letter for letter; in the original language of the Messengers on whom these are said to have been revealed.

We find guidance originally revealed diluted to a great extent and also a lot of wisdom missing which must have been in them, if they are truthful now. It is for this that we don’t find both claims and reason intact in them.

It is for this that we see the followers of these books spoon feeding the claims and reason into them so frequently; that forms a proof of an attempt to tamper with the text or adding meanings which are not there in the original texts and versions. The books itseld are deaf and dumb; while the followers boast about the wisdom.

I think I shall have to add a recent example to illustrate the point.

Pope Benedict’s Latest Take on Islam,8599,1897119,00.html

“Faith is in fact necessary in a world in which reason alone can become a form of extremism.” “When human reason humbly allows itself to be purified by faith… it is strengthened to resist presumption and reach beyond its own limitations.” I think with this he was perhaps hinting toward the Atheists and the Agnostics who are also called sometimes as Secularists or Humanists.
He further added: “Christians describe God, among other ways, as creative Reason, which orders and guides the world,” the Pope said. “Muslims worship God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth, who has spoken to humanity.” The Pope seems to still believe that this distinction — between Christian faith that is “purified” by human reason, and Muslim faith that is simply received from God.

The Highest Catholic Clergy is a dignitary; and our faith (Islam) enjoins us to respect dignitaries of all faiths/religions. As an individual he is entitled to free thinking and opinion; and I respect his faith.

So the Catholic faith as incorporated in the Catholic Bible is purified by reason, as he claims.

Now whose reason purifies the original text? It is anybody’s guess. If, I have understood it correctly, the Pope gets a license to add reasons or meaning to the revelation under the pretext of purifying the scriptures made by God Allah YHWH on Jesus. This they have been doing since the times of Paul; adding claims and reasons under the name of purification.

Yet, the Gospels completely lack of any reasons, at least I could not find any reasonable, rational, and logical reasons for any theological assertions/expressions made or claimed in it. Kindly correct me if I have misunderstood anything the Clergy said.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran not the mythical ones presented by sinful Paul and the sinful scribes.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim