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Difference between Ahmadi Muslims and other Muslims

May 4, 2013

 

Question and Answer session with Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, 5 November 1995

http://www.alislam.org/v/607.html

Please start viewing the video, setting play-head position, for the relevant Q #9 @ 01:34:35: What is the difference between Ahmadi Muslims and other Muslims? Its answer ends @ 01:38:29; the answer is only: 3.94 in duration.

Paarsurrey noted following hint words and syllables in the contents of the reply to the questions asked, in case of doubt, please hear the video and correct accordingly:

They believe Imam Mahdi, Messiah would come; we believe Jesus has come in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, they believe that Jesus is alive and would come at a later time, they believe that a prophet cannot come yet they believe Jesus a prophet would come after Muhammad,

 

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Secularism is an Islamic doctrine – By Naseem Mahdi, Special to CNN

July 24, 2010

Hi friends

A very useful article:
https://mail.google.com/mail/?hl=en&shva=1&ui=1&ov=0

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

“The holier they get, the scarier they get”

February 27, 2010

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/eboo_patel/2010/02/the_religious_textbooks_wars.html

Paarsurrey wrote:
February 26, 2010 7:27 AM

Hi friends

The Religion should be a part of the education of children in Schools; so that they have an idea of Ethics, Morals and the Spiritual progress. There is no harm if the point of view of the Seculars or Humanists or the Atheists is also accommodated in the text books.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Arkns wrote:
February 26, 2010 12:07 PM

Ahmadiyyas are peaceful Muslims. Unfortunately, they are persecuted in Pakistan. It seems someone told the Sunnis that they are the only true representatives of Islam. Meanwhile, the real McCoy is still out.

All this holy business in Islam, all this rigid viewpoints and ways of living is not amounting to much. Zilch would be nice but the overall effect is really negative, not even zero.

I have no problem with nonobservant Muslims. They are pretty nice. It is the devout ones that are scary. It seems that the holier they get, the scarier they get. One can see this when boarding a plane anywhere along with long bearded devout Muslims in skull caps. Their overwhelming piety makes the trip a scary one.

There are external laws of science as there are internal laws of the spirit. In the laboratory of the world, sodium plus chloride gives you sodium chloride. In the internal world, a longing heart plus religious practices (that is worth the paper they are written on) should give us a mellow heart. Spiritual practices must lead to an expanded consciousness, a heart that melts in empathy and love for fellow human beings. God and Prophet should lead you to universal love and compassion, not universal bloody-mindedness. I will question any God if the practices He prescribes leads towards hatred and not towards love.

Yes, from where I come from even God is answerable. Consider the Buddha who told Ananda, His chief disciple:
“Don’t accept something just because I said it. Go out and test what I say and accept it only if the results are positive but reject it if the results are negative”.

Thus spake Zarathustra!

Paarsurrey wrote:
February 27, 2010 8:35 AM

Hi friend arkns

I have enjoyed your entire post and agree with most of the points; in special the followings:
• The holier they get, the scarier they get.
• In the internal world, a longing heart plus religious practices (that is worth the paper they are written on) should give us a mellow heart.
• Buddha who told Ananda:”Don’t accept something just because I said it. Go out and test what I say and accept it only if the results are positive but reject it if the results are negative”.

Just a little question:

Are you a Buddhist or Zoroastrian? I hold them both in good esteem.

Regards

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

“The Story of Solomon in Islam”

February 7, 2010

http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=108703

cosmicdancer wrote:

A new video by me, taking a critical look at the Story of Solomon in Islam (In Arabic with English subtitles.)

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend cosmicdancer

I think you refer to the following verses of Quran:

The Holy Quran : Chapter 27: Al-Naml

[27:16] And We gave knowledge to David and Solomon and they said, ‘All praise belongs to Allah, Who has exalted us above many of His believing servants.’
[27:17] And Solomon was heir to David. And he said, ‘O ye people, we have been taught the language of birds, and we have had all necessary things bestowed upon us. This indeed is God’s manifest Grace.’
[27:18] And there were gathered together unto Solomon his hosts of jinn and men and birds, and they were formed into separate divisions,
[27:19] Until when they came to the valley of Al-Naml, a Namlite said, ‘O ye Naml, enter your habitations, lest Solomon and his hosts crush you, while they know not.’
[27:20] Thereupon he smiled wondering at her words and said, ‘My Lord, grant me that I may be grateful to Thee, for Thy favour which Thou hast bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and that I may do such good works as would please Thee, and admit me, by Thy mercy, among Thy righteous servants.’
[27:21] And he reviewed the birds and said, ‘How is it that I do not see Hudhud? Is he deliberately absent?
[27:22] ‘I will surely punish him with a severe punishment or I will slay him, unless he brings me a clear reason for his absence.
[27:23] And he did not tarry long before Hudhud came and said, ‘I have acquired knowledge of that of which thou hast no knowledge; and I have come to thee from Saba’ with sure tidings;
[27:24] ‘I found a woman ruling over them, and she has been given every necessary thing and she has a mighty throne;
[27:25] ‘I found her and her people worshipping the sun instead of Allah, and Satan has made their works look beautiful to them, and has thus hindered them from the right way, so they are not rightly guided –
[27:26] ‘And they insist that they will not worship Allah, while Allah is He who brings to light that which is hidden in the heavens and the earth, And Who knows what you conceal and what you disclose of your design;
[27:27] ‘Allah! there is no god but He, the Lord of the Mighty Throne.’
[27:28] Thereupon Solomon said, ‘We shall see whether thou hast spoken the truth or whether thou art a liar

http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter….ch=27&verse=14

I have quoted the verses of Quran so that when we discuss we have the context of Quran in our minds.

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Thanks

‎“Apostasy has no death penalty”‎

September 25, 2009

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4103&p=68553#p68553‎

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend AllahuAkbar

I agree with you that there is no death penalty for ‎apostates in ‎Quran/Islam/Muhammad; and one cannot name a ‎single ‎individual who was killed by Quran/Islam/Muhammad to ‎coerce ‎to Islam.‎

So, we can defend Quran/Islam/Muhammad in this connection ‎‎very truly; but we cannot and should not defend any wrong ‎‎doing Muslim politicians, rulers etc of the past or ‎‎present. If they did any wrong then they were sinners; ‎‎their case is with God Allah YHWH.‎

We will only defend Quran/Islam/Muhammad.‎

All human beings are just like a family; every one of them ‎‎is to be loved and noone is to be hated.‎

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Ascertaining true Tuahid, while one already believes in ‎Tauhid

August 29, 2009

http://ca.mc596.mail.yahoo.com/mc/showMessage;_ylc=X3oDMTBudDBqM3BnBF9TAzM5ODMzNzAyNgRhYwNkZWxNc2dz?mid=1_89862_4941_AIgMDUwAAKVUSpXObwJn81Xsdoc&fid=%2540B%2540Bulk&sort=date&order=down&startMid=0&filterBy=&.rand=1935122169

Zina khan says:‎

The problem is that people do not understand TAWHID as much ‎as they boast they do!

They do not know the various degrees of TAWHID which ‎constitutes the UNITY of Allah!

Paarsurrey says:‎

I agree with you that most people do not understand the ‎Tawid correctly. ‎

Jews were always Monotheists, yet they needed a Messenger ‎Prophet of God Allah YHWH to set them right on the right ‎path of Tawid. Without a Messenger Prophet, in whom the ‎true Tawhid is reflected, one can miss the the string of ‎Tauhid. God Allah YHWH sent Jesus (AS) to correct the ‎tauhid of the Jews.‎

Muhammad (SAW) also prophesised about his ummah treading on ‎the path of Jews, like one shoe of the foot is similar to ‎the shoe of the other foot.They have also lost the true ‎Tauhid as did the Jews. Muhammad’s (SAW) umman is to be set ‎on the true path at the end of time by Imam Mahdi or the ‎‎(sympbolic) Second Coming of Jesus (AS).‎

This has taken place in the form of the Promised Messiah ‎‎1835-1908.‎

The Jews, Christians, and Muslims have to accept him to set ‎their Tauhid right.‎

Thanks

All human beings are just like a family; every one of them ‎is to be loved and not hated.‎

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

I say I am a peaceful Ahmadi Muslim as I cannot hate the Muslims en-block

July 18, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/06/18/the-earliest-copy-of-the-quran-yemeni-koran-‎video/#comment-17399‎
‎ ‎
paarsurrey

July 18, 2009 • 11:39 am

Hi friend Arp

I don’t agree with you. I say I am a peaceful Ahmadi Muslim as I cannot hate the ‎Muslims en-block. One could condemn a certain incident done by a criminal; but it is ‎against the cause of humanity to condemn others who are not envolved in the incident ‎and to condemn the whole race of a people. This would be counterproductive and serve ‎on purpose. Please have a humanist approach; and don’t find fault with the innocent ‎Quran/Islam/Muhammad. If one loves humanity; Muslims are also a part of the ‎humanity; adn hence one should learn loving the Muslims also.

Would you like to inform us about your faith you previously had; and your current faith ‎you were converted to later?

All human beings are just like one family; one should learn respecting and loving ‎everyone and one should not hate anyone.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Ahmadi Muslims – want to change the world peacefully, which also appeals to democrats-‎to-the-core-persons in the West‎(and America)

July 11, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/07/05/is-islam-really-america%e2%80%99s-second-‎largest-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-16991‎

‎• 24. Demsci Says:
July 11th, 2009 at 9:38 am

Hello Paarsurrey, I was raised as a Protestant Christian, tried to live accordingly until ‎about my 21st birthday. But I could not dispel my doubts, which I had had all my life. So ‎I stopped going to church. I kept on searching, reading, and now I consider myself a ‎Darwinist. I consider Science the best way to help us find ever more of the Truth.‎
I am glad that there are Ahmadi Muslims who only want to change the world peacefully, ‎which appeals to a democrat-to-the-core-person like me.

‎• 25. paarsurrey Says:
July 11th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

Hi friend Demsci

Thanks for your appreciation.‎
I congratulate you on being bold enough to leave Protestantism. They, the Protestants left ‎‎the simple and rational teachings of Jesus; and opted to follow the cunning Paul and ‎‎sinful scirbes of the Bible. If we see the real character, teachings, acts and Revelations ‎‎Jesus had from God Allah YHWH, we have to admit that he was one of the perfect men ‎‎that walked on Earth.

After when he survived death on Cross and he migrated to India; most unfortunately, his ‎‎enemies took over; they changed and tailored his teachings and also his acts according to ‎‎their own low motives. Jesus was not responsible for that changes made in his name;in ‎‎fact he had warned his follwers of this phenomenon.

I would say that the Man Jesus was a truthful Messenger Prophet of God Allah YHWH; ‎‎and hence his teachings consisting on his pure revelations were originally truthful. I ‎‎would suggest you to rediscover the perfect man Jesus; and follow him, if you can.Jesus ‎‎was not god and he never claimed to be one. The present Christianity has got nothing to ‎‎do with Jesus and persents only a mythical Jesus carved out of thin air by Paul and the ‎‎Church unauthorized.

If you still remain disgusted with the Bible; then you enjoy your life being a Darwinist; ‎‎but don’t oppose Jesus; a natural fruit of humanity and truthfulness. This is only a ‎‎brotherly advice; no compulsion.

Please concentrate on your new religion – your present abode of faith. You may present ‎‎merits of Darwinism if you so like and tell us as to how you cherish it. This may benefit ‎‎us, who hardly know anything about this religion; if it is a religion.

I understand that there have been many scientific changes in the theory Darwin ‎‎presented.What is your opinion about it?

You may present your interesting write-up as a separate topic in this forum for benefit of ‎‎us all; if the owners/moderators allow it.

All human beings are but a family; love for all, hatred for none.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

They ‎ left Islam but Islam does not leave them. Even if they oppose Islam; yet in a way ‎‎they still are attached to it

July 10, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/06/23/the-quran-says-that-the-earth-is-‎round/comment-page-4/#comment-16943‎

‎179. paarsurrey Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:42 pm ‎

Hi friends

There are brothers and friends in humanity here, who have plainly acknowledged, that ‎‎there is no unequivocal verse in Quran which declares that earth is flat; this would have ‎‎naturally ended the discussion on this topic. It seems to me that perhaps they think there ‎‎are no many good topics left with them. Short of any good topic; they keep on harping on ‎‎the same string /topic which has no logical utility now.

I think they left Islam and did not find any other truthful religion to join and offer; so they ‎‎have left Islam but Islam does not leave them. Even if they oppose Islam; yet in a way ‎‎they still are attached to it.‎
We can understand their position.

All human beings are but a family; love for all, hatred for none.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

I would like everybody who writes on faithfreedom.org to enlighten about his previous ‎and present faith/religion; it would help to understand in a number of ways their opinions, ‎perspectives and visions

July 10, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/07/05/is-islam-really-america%e2%80%99s-second-largest-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-16940

‎• 4. paarsurrey Says:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:44 pm ‎

Hi friends

I understand that this forum is of the ex-Muslims. May I request the following friends ‎who ‎have posted into this thread as to what was their denomination when they choose to ‎leave ‎Islam? Please also mention as to what religion/denomination they joined when they ‎left ‎Islam.

‎1.‎ Shafee al-Zindig ‎
‎2.‎ proudkafir
‎3.‎ Raisin Head ‎

This is only an optional question out of curiousity; no compulsion to answer.‎

‎• 5. Raisin Head Says:
July 5th, 2009 at 11:11 pm ‎
To the Admadi Muslim

I was never a muslim, I read the crap and it said kill non-muslims and no way would I kill ‎anyone. Next, it called my people, blacks, ugly nappy headed pug nosed slaves or abeeds. ‎You must be kidding if you think I would read such evil and join it. Why did you. I love ‎all people aS GOD CREATED ALL OF US AND aRABS ARE NO BETTER THAN ‎anyone else. They stink like anyone else.‎

‎• 9. Shafee al-Zindig Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 9:42 am ‎

To satisfy your curiosity and to silence those who would falsely claim that we are all ‎Jews pretending to be ex-Muslims.‎

I was born to a Hanafi Sunni family going back many generations. As I grew older and ‎wiser after many years of study of all points of view, I realized that Islam was not for me.‎

I am content to remain a freethinker and see no need to exchange one mind-numbing ‎addictive drug such as Islam for any other. It is like giving up cocaine and taking up ‎heroin. Why would anybody be that foolish?‎

‎• 10. ibrahim Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pm ‎

I was born in a Sunni Ahle Hadith family of Kashmir. I was a practicing Muslim till ‎about 3 years back. Being from an Ahle Hadith family, I was particularly unhappy with ‎blasphemers including Ahmedis, Agha Khanis, Dawoodi Bohras, and I considered all of ‎them fuel for hell fire.

Thanks to FFI and my own intelligence, I got out of this cult called Islam. It took me ‎almost 3 years to get over my fear of hell fire as this was the last connecting link between ‎Islam and me.

23. paarsurrey Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

I thank brothers and friends in humanity here in these forums; who write here and who were Muslim ‎previously and changed their religion. Following have answered my query and I thank ‎them in this connection:‎
Raisin Head, Shafee al-Zindig ,Ibrahim, ‎

Our friend proudkafir has opted not to enlighten us about his previous faith or his present ‎religion. I thank him also.‎

I would like everybody who writes here to enlighten us about his previous and present ‎faith/religion; it helps to understand in a number of ways their opinions, perspectives and ‎visions, if they talk rationally and logically with good intellectual arguments.‎

All human beings are but a family; love for all, hatred for none.‎

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim