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Buddha was not an Agnostic

May 15, 2013

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Buddha was not an Agnostic, in my opinion; his ways have nothing common with the atheists. Just to gain some ground the Atheists, in my opinion, try to include him in their folds but ultimately they reject him one being with them.

I may, for instance, here refer to Christopher Hitchens, he had to write a chapter in one of his books “There is no ‘Eastern’ solution”, I think keeping that in his mind.

The truthful religion favors free enquiry and does not favor blind faith.

Buddha was not with the Agnostics; he spoke against Skepticism/Agnosticism:

Courtesy our friend Tathagata (#79)

“The Buddha was NOT an Agnostic. It is scripturally false to say he was an Agnostic. He was in fact vehemently opposed to Agnosticism and he called them “evasive eel-wrigglers.” See the Brahmajala Sutta and the Samannaphala Sutta.

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“Ambiguous Evasion [edit]

The concept of ambiguous evasion or eel-wriggling (Pali: Amaravikkhepa) is introduced in the Brahmajala sutta. When hearing Buddhist teachings, the Buddha claims that people would react with four forms of ambiguous evasion:

  1. Evasion out of fear or hatred of making false claims.
  2. Evasion out of fear or hatred of attachment.
  3. Evasion out of fear or hatred of debate.
  4. Evasion out of fear or hatred of admitting ignorance.

In other words, when a person would hear the dharma, they would respond, “I don’t know. Maybe it is true. Maybe it is not true. I can’t say it’s true because I don’t know and I can’t deny it’s true because I don’t know.”

The idea is that the person isn’t considering the arguments presented (see Kalama Sutta), but stubbornly adhering to irrational agnosticism out of feelings of fear or hatred.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eel_wriggler#Ambiguous_Evasion

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We don’t hate Atheists or Agnostics

May 8, 2013

I give here a post written by me for my favourite discussion forum on the thread

#99 Is Islam a universal religion.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/147598-islam-universal-religion-10.html#post3320290

One may like to comment there in the forum or here in this blog, my pleasure:

“We don’t hate Atheists or Agnostics. They deny Word of Revelation al-right but they uphold reason and rationality; two of the three sources of human knowledge, so dear to a truthful believer. We don’t judge them; to do absolute judgement is an attribute of the Lord of the Day of Judgement  and that would be in the afterlife. They are with us fighting against mythical concepts and superstitions.

Just for non-believing there is no retribution in this world; unless one becomes a hardened enemy additionally with non-believing.

Atheists or Agnostics are an important segment of humans though they claim to have no religion as I understand; yet we have all love and sympathy with them; they could join the truthful religion as and when they are convinced heart and soul; the door is open to them as it is to anybody else.

This way the universality of the truthful religion remains intact, in my opinion.

That is what I believe sincerely; others could differ with me; no compulsion.”

Another post in the same thread from Paarsurrey:

#109

” The topic is not ‘Is Islam the only universal religion’; it is ‘Is Islam a universal religion’, I think for the purpose of this discussion we don’t have to make it exclusive for other religions.

To make it exclusive for a religion; that religion must provide the claim and reason both from their original Word revealed in the original language; if not in detail at least in germane.”

Nature cannot be a god

December 2, 2011

Nature is no god; it has no intelligence on its own and it cannot give intelligence to others. Nature does not hear or listen to if one wants to speak to it; nature does not communicate with anybody; it is deaf and dumb. Nature is work of the Creator God.

It is the Creator God who is All-Wise and All-Intelligent; He listens to the human beings and has spoken to human beings in all ages and in all regions of the world.

He has revealed His Word to the truthful persons called Messengers Prophets of the Creator God; one such person is Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah of our era.

There is none like the Creator God who has created the Universe and everything in it.

The Atheists while away their lives; having no purpose of life

June 13, 2011

There is a grand purpose of life that many don’t understand and they think that they have understood the purpose of their existence and are in fact already working for it; while they are only spending their time to earn a living.
There are some people who believe that their time on earth is all they have, and they have nothing beyond this life so they usually make a great effort to make the most of it engaged in sensual pursuits if they have some wealth; and if they don’t have any, they could attempt at a suicide.

This kind of purpose is only a carrier oriented concept and it is personal; I am not here to object to it.
Humans do have desires and they feel happy when a desire is attained.

I think it is a goal or target that one fixes for one’s business or for one’s career that is generally being thought of as a purpose of one’s existence which is quite different from the purpose of man’s life.

To say that our purpose in life is simply to experience life does not explain the phenomenon well; that everybody experiences whether one attains one’s goals, targets or one fails it anyway. Whether one is a believer or not a believer; it is one’s duty to remember always that humanity flourishes under the doctrine of mutual gratification; that is needed for co-existence in this world.

They think that the believers are working for the promise of paradise after death; so many believers waste their lives here on earth because they think the best is yet to come. Working for a living is not detestable and in fact believers do work to earn a living; they also serve humanity with as much zeal as do the non-believers, yet always mindful of the purpose of life which makes life a positive pursuit.

They don’t work in a way that others get harmed and humanity falls out of balance, and someone is cheated out of their share of gratification.

This is how it is described in the story of Cain and Able; where Cain felt cheated.
We should care that humanity does not become out balanced in the course of our achieving limited goals and targets.
Always keeping in mind; are we not cheating another out of their gratification if we convince them that their PURPOSE in life has no value?

They are not being cheated; they are only to steer their lives in a way that they achieve the meaning in life they have found within the overall purpose which they have been made responsible to uphold; in fact it will rather boost their efforts.
Going to heaven-is the purpose of religion is a concept mostly misunderstood, it is not the primary purpose of religion; though that would happen anyway by default if one achieves the purpose of life.

One may say that one have plenty of purpose. I intend to enjoy my life, and to achieve the goals that I believe will make me happy and satisfied with the choices I have made in my life.

There is plenty of meaning and purpose in my life; a non-believer atheist may say.

Here one should think that humans are all one species; so a common purpose should apply to everyone in a broader sense.
I think one should not mention one’s personal targets that is not to be confused with the purpose of human life
Creating a purpose for one’s life is different from assigning a purpose by the creator himself.
You create a purpose for your life; which you think gives your life a meaning. If you should decide to create a meaning that serves a purpose higher than self then that would be good.

The highest purpose life can have is to serve humanity, to make it stronger, to build its knowledge base, to understand the wisdom/truth derived by all knowledge and experience received.

Thus, the human species continues to live on, and on, and on.

Why should not there be a great purpose of human life which is an intelligent race; they can speak and write?
Lower Life cannot speak or write, except to a little extent; so their purpose should not be equaled to the Human Life; it will be most unreasonable.

Pantheists are wrong to maintain the view that the Universe or Nature and God are identical. This is wrong; nature does manifest and reflect the attributes of the Creator but nature is different from the Creator.
The Creator-God Allah YHWH is distinctively different from the created; the universe and all within it are created by Him and under his effective control; so they are not identical:

[39:63] Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is Guardian over all things.
[39:64] To Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth; and as for those who disbelieve in the Signs of Allah, these it is who are the losers.
[39:65] Say, ‘Is it other gods than Allah that you bid me worship, O ye ignorant ones?’
[39:66] And verily it has been revealed to thee as unto those before thee: ‘If thou attribute partners to God, thy work shall surely go vain and thou shalt certainly be of the losers.’
[39:67] Aye, worship Allah and be among the thankful.
[39:68] And they do not esteem Allah, with the esteem that is due to Him. And the whole earth will be but His handful on the Day of Resurrection, and the heavens will be rolled up in His right hand. Glory to Him and exalted is He above that which they associate with Him.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=39&verse=62

We don’t deny that there are people among the atheists who have served the cause of humanity; but that is one aspect of life; believers also do it; it is common with the good people irrespective whether they are believers or non-believers.
These might be famous people and celebrities. They are politicians, authors, actors, businesspeople, directors, professors, intellectuals, scientists, performers, artists and others.

They might have all accomplished a significant success in their field during their lives and would have received recognition for it; and that is why they were famous.

But the non-believers did not attach the true dimension of the purpose of life with their deeds, which they could have done, if they knew it.

Speaking generally about the purpose of life for all of humanity one may say it is probably simply to reproduce the off-spring; that exists there and is common with the other animals; but here the question arises: do the humans have the same purpose as the animals have.

One may note here a point that humans need much more caring than the other animals need; which hints that the purpose of creation of humans is much higher than of the animals. A calf would be on his own within a couple of months but a human child needs much more care; he has to learn how to speak, how to deal with others and how to get educated. So purpose of animals and humans cannot be equaled.

However famous the celebrities are; while they have been allowed free will and they can spend their lives as they please; but they have no intention to lead their life in particular relating to the purpose of life, so intentionally or unintentionally they waste their life in this perspective in mind.

Nobody in this world accomplishes anything significant without a sense of purpose. All of these people have demonstrated a strong sense of meaning in their lives according to the goals and and definitely not “whiling away their lives.”
Lance Armstrong, who is a record-setting Tour de France cyclist, and has survived testicular cancer after being given a 40% chance to live, and now works for cancer research.

This man has accomplished a tremendous amount in his life. Nobody lives the life he has lived without goals and purpose.
These are just his thoughts; it does not explain the purpose of human life.

Such acts are done more often by religious people than the atheists.

[2:63] Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=2&verse=62

Why should not there be a great purpose of human life which is an intelligent race; they can speak and write?
Life at a lower level of evolution cannot speak or write; so their purpose should not be equaled to the purpose of human life who can speak and write distinctive qualities of humans; it will be most unreasonable.

The parents only know that they performed their natural duty and urge like I performed my duty and urge; that is personal thing; not a common purpose of life where evolution leads us all the human beings.

That could be their pass time to entertain one; they have yet to find a purpose of life for which evolution started and is leading all the human beings.

That is defining a personal or limited goal; not the purpose of human life at large.

There are the purposes society or others assign to you. You have duties and responsibilities. Many are assigned rather than being chosen. They are not objective purposes because they are not natural, and they are not subjective because you don’t choose them.
Then there are people who just don’t need an objective and don’t like assigned purpose, but find their own subjective purpose is all they need or want.

Einstein was right to say: A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty – it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and this alone, I am a deeply religious man.

You will agree that the atheists have no idea of purpose of life of a man; if one does not know it, one has no intent to achieve it; all of one’s deeds are just in vain.
Life without purpose is life wasted.

There is a grand and broad purpose of life within which one could have one’s goals and targets.

The atheists agnostics skeptics apatheists; all while away their lives; finding no real purpose in life and no goal in life, their actions become meaningless and their thoughts get frustrated.

“Doubt, truth and wonder in ministry “

March 20, 2010

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/john_mark_reynolds/2010/03/doubt_truth_and_wonder_in_ministry.html

Hi friends

The above article mentions:

“Recently a study showed that many ministers don’t believe what they preach.They claim to know what they preach is wrong, but go on preaching it.”

One may think: Can a blind man show path to a blind man? If the pastors don’t know; how could they teach others to know?

It is so simple to understand.

God Almighty has indicated three types of knowledge:

1. Knowledge by certainty of reason,
2. Knowledge by certainty of sight,
3. Knowledge by certainty of experience.

This may be illustrated thus:

When a person perceives smoke from a distance his mind conceives that smoke and fire are inseparable, and therefore where there is smoke there must be fire also. This would be knowledge by the certainty of reason.

Then on a nearer approach he sees the flames of the fire and that is knowledge by the certainty of sight.

If one enters into the fire that would be knowledge by the certainty of experience.

Jesus had himself entered into the fire of knowledge of God that is he received Word of Revelation from the creator- God Allah YHWH Parmatma AhuraMazda.

Paul spoiled all the truthful teachings of Jesus based on Jesus’ experience mentioned above. Paul never spent any time learning from Jesus; so he had no knowledge of certainty. Paul was not even on the first stage of knowledge.

What Paul made up himself; it is enough that “Christians” have been following it blindly till now; but in the present era Paul and the Church have miserably failed.

The secular knowledge has uprooted the myth of Paul’s Theology invented by him at Rome. People don’t speak up and remain silent; but inwardly they have become Atheists and Agnostics.

Christian believers could only maintain their belief if they follow Jesus and Mary and don’t follow Paul and the mythical Church. Only Jesus and Mary could salvage their belief. The Atheists Agnostics are cognizant of the situation prevailing; and hence flexing their muscles to create wedge between the believers and Jesus- one of the perfect men that have been born on this planet Earth.

It is very appropriate time that the believers join in to reform Christianity and set it on to the path based on Teachings of Jesus and Mary and get rid of Paul and the Church to salvage Christians from the attack of Atheists Agnostics based only on doubt. They themselves name it “Skepticism” or path of doubt or devolution.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Quran is neither ambiguous nor contradictory

March 18, 2010

Hi my global friends

I quote here verses from Quran, which my friends at http://www.rational-skepticism.org/ think are ambiguous.

I quote here the verses and invite my friends on that forum and others to discuss these verses here freely yet within the norms of decency, ethics and morals:

[21:29] He knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they intercede not except for him whom He approves, and they act cautiously for fear of Him.
[21:30] And whosoever of them should say, ‘I am a God beside Him,’ him shall We requite with Hell. Thus do We requite the wrongdoers.
[21:31] Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass, then We opened them out? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe? [21:32] And We have made in the earth firm mountains lest it should quake with them; and We have made therein wide pathways, that they may be rightly guided.
[21:33] And We have made the heaven a roof, well protected; yet they turn away from its Signs. [21:34] And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each gliding along in its orbit.
[21:35] We granted not everlasting life to any human being before thee. If then thou shouldst die, shall they live here for ever?
[21:36] Every soul shall taste of death; and We prove you with evil and good by way of trial. And to Us shall you be returned.
[21:37] And when the disbelievers see thee, they only make a jest of thee. They say: ‘Is this the one who makes an evil mention of your gods?’ While it is they themselves who reject with disdain the mention of the Gracious God.
[21:38] Man is made of haste. I will certainly show you My Signs but ask Me not to hasten. [21:39] And they say, ‘When will this promise be fulfilled, if you are truthful?’

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=21&verse=28

Open for discussion for everybody.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Human brain is naturally more comfortable believing than doubting

March 13, 2010

Hi friends

I present here an article from National Post: Holy Post of Canada. Its title is “God’s Brain: The neuroscience of devotion”
Posted: March 13, 2010, 5:38 AM by Daniel Kaszor

It is interesting’

“Prof. Tiger said he and Dr. McGuire were also compelled to look more deeply at religion because of the spate of books by such high-profile atheists as Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins, which were gaining huge readership for their anti-religious notions.

The main arguments of these writers is that no religion is backed up by scientific fact and therefore religious believers are deluded, if not outright morons.
“That was disrespectful and also not scientific,” Prof. Tiger said. “You can’t have a viable society in which 80% of adults are morons.”

http://network.nationalpost.com/NP/blog … otion.aspx
Food for thought and discussion

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

“The (religious) textbook wars”

February 27, 2010


http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/eboo_patel/2010/02/the_religious_textbooks_wars.html

Paarsurrey wrote:
February 26, 2010 7:27 AM

Hi friends

The Religion should be a part of the education of children in Schools; so that they have an idea of Ethics, Morals and the Spiritual progress. There is no harm if the point of view of the Seculars or Humanists or the Atheists is also accommodated in the text books.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

YEAL9 wrote:
February 26, 2010 10:30 AM

More movements (and another Messiah) in a stream of Islamic sects;

“Ahmadiyya (äh mə dē’ yə), a contemporary messianic movement founded (1899) by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1839-1908), b. Qadiyan, the Punjab. His Barahin-i Ahmadiyya, which he began to publish in 1880, was well received by his Islamic community. In 1889, he announced that he had received a divine revelation authorizing him to accept the baya, the allegiance of the faithful; he later also declared himself the Mahdi and the promised Messiah (masih) of Islam (1891).

His doctrine, incorporating Indian, Sufi, Islamic, and Western elements, attempted to revitalize Islam in the face of the British raj, Protestant Christianity, and resurgent Hinduism.

After his death, his followers elected Mawlana Nur ad-Din as his successor. Nur ad-Din died in 1914, and the community split into two branches. The majority remained in Qadiyan and recognized Ghulam Ahmad as prophet (nabi). The basic belief held by the Qadiyani community was and is that it is the sole embodiment of “True Islam.”

The founder’s son, Hadhrat Mirza Bashir ad-Din Mahmud Ahmad (1889-1965), was chosen as Khalifatul-Masih [caliph of the Messiah] by the Qadiyani branch, known today as the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam (jamaat-i ahmadiyya). His half-century of leadership shaped the movement, operating after 1947 out of the city of Rabwah (which they founded and gave a Qur’anically inspired name) in Pakistan and administering a network of schools and hospitals.

His successors have been chosen from among Ghulam Ahmad’s descendants; the leader of the movement (since 2003) is Mirza Masroor Ahmad (b. 1950).

The other branch, less willing to distinguish itself from mainstream Islam, recognized Ghulam Ahmad as a reformer (mujaddid) and established what came to be known as the ahmadiyya anjuman ishaat-i Islam movement in Lahore, Pakistan, also known as the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement. Both branches engage in energetic missionary activity in Nigeria, Kenya, Indonesia, and the Indian subcontinent.”

from: answers.com

Paarsurrey wrote:
February 27, 2010 8:21 AM

Hi friends

Our friend YEAL9 has provided good information about Ahmadiyya. Ahmadiyya is an enlightened movement not only to revitalize Islam but all the Revealed Religions of the world. Since it accepts reason, rationality and revelation as consistent tools of man for life; hence it bridges the gaps between Atheists and Theists also and in this way works for bringing about understanding and peace in the world. Ahmadiyya don’t see any real wedge between Science and Religion; the former being the Work and the later being the Word of the same Creator- God Allah YHWH.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Reason tightens the rope around the neck of Atheism

February 13, 2010

http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=109325&p=2725614#p2725614
stijndeloose wrote:

Reality is the rope tightening around religion’s neck.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend stijndeloose

May be it is reason that tightens the rope around the neck of un-natural Atheism and of course you would say that it is not; perhaps it is a grim reality out there, in my opinion.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Atheism is a misnomer for the Atheists : Atheism unreasonable

February 13, 2010

http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=108473&start=140#p2725356

Teuton wrote:

Atheism as the rejection of the belief in God/gods (but not as the positive denial of this belief) is not a belief itself but it entails one: the belief that there are no good reasons to believe in God/gods or no sound arguments in favor of the existence of God/gods. And this very belief might be false, which means that negative atheism is not justified per se.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend Teuton

I think Atheism is a misnomer for the Atheists; their first distinction is that everything should be believed or should not to be believed unless it has solid reason.

“God does does not exist” is the rant of the Atheists; and it is a positive statement. The Atheists don’t give any proofs and evidences that “God does does not exist”.Hence their rant is in vain.

The Atheists sometimes say that negatives cannot be proved; if it is so; what physicians have prescribed them not to believe in God? It simply shows that their position is wrong to start with.

The Atheists standpoint is “hollow” or “empty space inside”; it is a transitory stage; one should search for the One-True-God like a truthful seeker and get out of this “hollowness”; the sooner the better.

If someday they find a reason that the Creator- God Allah YHWH exists; they should be the first to accept it; if they don’t accept, then they have no backbone left, in my opinion.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim