Archive for April 30th, 2019

Bāb was a Twelver Shī’ah through and through

April 30, 2019

Religious Forums

#114 paarsurrey

Then what was John the Baptist doing with Jesus in the water. Wasn’t John a Jew, please?

John the Baptizer preaches by the River Jordan

John was a direct male descendant of Aaron, brother of Moses. He was a Kohen (or Cohen) the distinct priestly line of Kohenim that were only permitted to minister in the Old Testament Temple.
Why did John the Baptist baptize with water?


#117 paarsurrey

Very interesting, please.


#118 paarsurrey

Muhammad was never a Christian or a Jew.

#119 paarsurrey

Was Bahaullah a “Bahai”, please?

When did Bahaullah cease to pray Salat like he used to do as Shia-Twelver-Muslims do ?

This could decide the issue.

Another will be when Bahaullah got married with his third wife, Gawhar Khanum, who did solemnize this marriage and on what tradition? It sure happened in the post Iqan period. Right, please?


There was no “first Bahai”!

April 30, 2019

Religious Forums

#104 paarsurrey

Please don’t split frog hairs, it is not a good deed. Right, please?

“and Baha’u’llah was the first Baha’i” post #5 , please.



#107 paarsurrey

I don’t think there was any first Bahai. In the pre-Iqan period Bahaullah was sure a Babi, and if Bab was a (mystic shaykhi twelver) Muslim, then Bahaullah was a Muslim till such time he openly said that he was not a Babi-Muslim. Maybe Bahaullah made others to follow the concepts he published but he had no-religion at all, but it has to . Right, please?

Also please note:


” It should come as no surprise that Bahá’u’lláh’s respect for the Qur’an was heartfelt and genuine. Bahá’u’lláh was, after all, a Muslim.”
Visiting Assistant Professor, Michigan State University, buckc@msu.eduKALIMÁT PRESSLOS ANGELES
Symbol & Secret: Qur’an Commentary in Baha’u’llah’s Kitab-i Iqan (1995/2004)


“and it is obvious you do not believe it”

#109 paarsurrey

Sure, I am not a Bahai. I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.
I am reading/investigating Kitab-i-Iqan and asking little questions which anybody on the Forum could answer, if they have an answer whether a Bahai or a non-Bahai.



Hell is not permanent, it is like a hospital

April 30, 2019

Religious Forums

#91 paarsurrey

Islam/Quran/Muhammad mention that Hell is for the treatments of those who will go into it.
The torture* is the self-doing of the sinner. If one jumps from a multi-story building and gets hurt it is one’s own doing.


*[9:70]اَلَمۡ یَاۡتِہِمۡ نَبَاُ الَّذِیۡنَ مِنۡ قَبۡلِہِمۡ قَوۡمِ نُوۡحٍ وَّ عَادٍ وَّ ثَمُوۡدَ ۬ۙ وَ قَوۡمِ اِبۡرٰہِیۡمَ وَ اَصۡحٰبِ مَدۡیَنَ وَ الۡمُؤۡتَفِکٰتِ ؕ اَتَتۡہُمۡ رُسُلُہُمۡ بِالۡبَیِّنٰتِ ۚ فَمَا کَانَ اللّٰہُ لِیَظۡلِمَہُمۡ وَ لٰکِنۡ کَانُوۡۤا اَنۡفُسَہُمۡ یَظۡلِمُوۡنَ

Has not the story reached them of those before them — the people of Noah, ‘Ad, and Thamud, and the people of Abraham, and the dwellers of Midian, and the cities which were overthrown? Their Messengers came to them with clear Signs. So Allah would not wrong them, but they wronged themselves.
The Holy Quran – Chapter: 9: At-Taubah
*It is mentioned about 10 or more times in Quran.

#94 paarsurrey

A marvelous post.

Agnosticism/Skepticism/Atheism are totally wrong

April 30, 2019

Religious Forums

#90 paarsurrey

Why I Could Never Be a Christian (or Muslim)?

There is no compulsion in Quran/Islam/Muhammad, so why should one become a Muslim? Please remain with Agnosticism/Skepticism/Atheism till one realizes that Agnosticism/Skepticism/Atheism are totally wrong . Right, please?



Paul’s-Christianity and Bahaullah’ religion are both mythical and made-up

April 30, 2019

Religious Forums

#206 paarsurrey, 

It is not a correct approach. It is neither literal nor allegorical. Why not admit openly that Paul’s-Christianity and Bahaullah’ religion are both, supporting one another, mythical because except a sentence* spoken on the Cross by Jesus nothing else is spoken or dictated by Jesus? Right, please?

“Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani?”