Archive for April 24th, 2019

Jesus as a Jew…

April 24, 2019

Blog post # 2226

Religious Forums

“In that view Jesus is not fully God fully man. Didn’t die for sins of the world. Wasn’t raised.” Unquote
#84 paarsurrey

We Muslims specifically Ahmadiyya peaceful Muslim believe in Jesus, Mary, Moses, Adam and Abraham; as also other messengers/prophets of G-d (Bahaullah excluded) and their life accounts because Quran mentions them, strictly as mentioned by Quran. And other narratives (like OT-Torah or NT-Bible and Hadith,Shia or Sunni or any other traditions/sayings) that don’t contradict with Quran.

“In that view Jesus is not fully God fully man. Didn’t die for sins of the world. Wasn’t raised.”

Because that mars the personality and Character of Jesus, making him an imperfect man and god Jesus never was. We cannot, emphasis cannot, believe in such an imperfect god as depicted in NT Bible, please.

Sorry, no disrespect intended to anybody or anybody’s faith. Everybody is entitled to believe in any faith/religion with reason or absolute no reason. They must to continue to believe, as they want and wish to.

Right, please?


“I know that there were thirteen tribes of Israel and Levi was one such tribe.”

#85 paarsurrey

Please name them as Jacob/Israel had only twelve sons. Where does come another one to make them thirteen, please:

Jacob’s twelve sons, named in Genesis, were Reuben, Simeon,LeviJudah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, IssacharZebulun,Joseph, and Benjamin. His only daughter mentioned in Genesis is Dinah. The twelve sons became the progenitors of the “Tribes of Israel”.
Jacob – Wikipedia
Jacob – Wikipedia


When and where Baha’ullah took Bahaullah’s Covenant?

April 24, 2019

Blog post# 2225

Religious Forums

#1 paarsurrey

When (the date/month/year) and where Baha’ullah took Bahaullah’s Covenant?
Or Bahaullah never took any covenant, please?

Thread open to all religions and no-religions, please.
Absolutely no restrictions to anybody, please.


#4 paarsurrey

Please don’t be angry. It is a simple question. I checked it on the internet but couldn’t find it.
Please read post #3 from our friend Txxxxxxxxx he also could not find it and did not mention it.
Hello our friend Tony Bristow-Stagg!, is the information in post #2 above sufficient or you have to add something to it, please?
Sorry, why there are two different dates/months (April 21,May 2), please?
Was there a ceremony held to get accordance from the followers by Bahaullah.If, yes, please mention.
I get the location/place however now from the internet:
The Garden of Ridván (literally garden of paradise) or Najibiyyih Garden[1] was a wooded garden in what is now Baghdad‘s Rusafa District, on the banks of the Tigris river. It is notable as the location where Bahá’u’lláh, founder of the Bahá’í Faith, stayed for twelve days from April 21 to May 2, 1863.
Garden of Ridván, Baghdad – Wikipedia

We are in a friendly discussion for finding the truth in the matters, please?


#9 paarsurrey

I didn’t know of “Dawnbreakers” and checked on the internet for it as our friend @sxxxxxxxxxxxx wants me to do, and I find:

“Mullá Husayn, having acquitted himself of the obligation he felt to urge and awaken his fellow-disciples, set out from Karbilá for Najaf. With him were Muhammad-Hasan, his brother, and Muhammad-Báqir, his nephew, both of whom had accompanied him ever since his visit to his native town of Bushrúyih, in the province of Khurásán. Arriving at the Masjid-i-Kúfih, Mullá Husayn decided to spend forty days in that place, where he led a life of retirement and prayer. By his fasts and vigils he prepared himself for the holy adventure upon which he was soon to embark. In the exercise of these acts of worship, his brother alone was associated with him, while his nephew, who attended to their daily needs, observed the fasts, and in his hours of leisure joined them in their devotions.

This cloistered calm with which they were surrounded was, after a few days, unexpectedly interrupted by the arrival of Mullá ‘Alíy-i-Bastamí, one of the foremost disciples of Siyyid Kázim. He, together with twelve other companions, arrived at the Masjid-i-Kúfih, where he found his fellow-disciple Mullá Husayn immersed in contemplation and prayer. Mullá ‘Alí was endowed with such vast learning, and was so deeply conversant with the teachings of ShaykhAhmad, that many regarded him as even superior to Mullá Husayn. On several occasions he attempted to enquire from Mullá Husayn as to his destination after the termination of the period of his retirement. Every time he approached him, he found him so wrapt in his devotions that he felt it impossible to venture a question. He soon decided to retire, like him, for forty days from the society of men. All his companions followed his example with the exception of three who acted as their personal attendants.
Bahá’í Reference Library – The Dawn-Breakers: Nabíl’s Narrative of the Early Days of the Bahá’í Revelation, Pages 47-97

Quite interesting!
Who is this Mullá Husayn, please? Is he a Muslim divine/clergy/priest, please?


Rxxxxxxxxx said: 

#13 paarsurrey

Thanks for the kind words friend @Raaaaaaaaaa. I was reading Kitab-i-Iqan as advised to me by the Bahaullah’s followers here. It will be nice of one if one also reads Iqan, there are points in it about the God-Head of Bahaullah etc, which one may like to attend to. A joint study of it may “reveal” many good points and enrich one’s experience as a Rabbi. Done?,please.
I was actually thinking about you some days ago, and here one is.



Did Bahaullah renounce Islam and converted to no-religion?

April 24, 2019

Blog Post # 2224

Religious Forums

#45  paarsurrey

Last edited: Yesterday at 1:57 PM

I understand that Bab was Shayki /Esoteric/Mysticism Twelver Shia Muslim and Bahaullah became his follower.
In that case the question remains to be answered, when did Bahaullah renounce Muslim and converted to no-religion, please?



#50 paarsurrey

Bab did not renounce Islam, there a is friend in the Forum who is a Babi, but he is a strong Muslim. I understand Bab used to pray/formal-Salat as other Shia-Muslim use to do, Bab did not renounce Islam, believed both parts of the Kalima (1.Oneness of God and 2.prophet-hood of Muhammad ).
It means that Bahaullah remained a no-religion man between the period , he left religion-Islam in the pre-Iqan period and the Iqan-period. Till his followers announced Bahaullah to be follower of Bahaism in the post-Iqan period, please.


#57 paarsurrey

It is important to know. When one joins Islam one openly with his words recites Kalima (1. Acknowledges Oneness of God and 2.prophet-hood of Muhammad) and starts offering prayers etc and doing the religious actions like Salat as told in Quran and done by Muhammad.
In other words when did Bab and or Bahuallah cease to pray Salat like they used to do as Shia-Twelver-Muslims do or the Sunni-Muslims do.
It is the same question in other words, please.