Christians should accept core teachings of Jesus

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paarsurrey
MAR 10, 2014 @ 22:38:22

@unkleE:MAR 08, 2014 @ 23:33:33
“Do I take it from your answer that you don’t accept what the scholars say about history and Jesus?” Unquote

Hi unkleE

I think it is a strange question.

History is not 100% truthful, as you know; there are always scholars differing with other scholars of history.

If the Christians don’t accept what they believe to be Jesus’ (their god or son of god) words expressing his own core teachings where he quoted and referred to OT, Moses, and prophets; how they think others would accept what lesser scholars have written about history and Jesus?

Moreover history is not written only in Europe that Jesus never visited; history is also written in other countries where Jesus and Mary and other disciples of Jesus actually visited. Will that be acceptable to you? Please.

To believe in history or scholars of history is not a prime article of faith or a pillar of faith of Islam:

Articles of Faith

• Unity of God
• His Angels
• His Books
• His Prophets
• The Last Day
• Divine Decree

Five Pillars of Islam

• Kalima
• Prayer
• Fasting
• Zakaat
• Hajj

http://www.alislam.org/

Is believing in history or scholars of history the prime tenet of Christianity?

I don’t think so

Thanks and regards

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9 Responses to “Christians should accept core teachings of Jesus”

  1. trueandreasonable Says:

    Hello Paarsurrey,

    I have been hoping to post on your very interesting blog a bit more but I have been swamped.

    Christians do not need to believe any particular history scholar. However they do generally believe at least certain things related in the new testament texts are historical.

    So we often look at old documents to see what actually happened.

    Now, at least for Catholics, we need not view those texts as historically accurate.

  2. trueandreasonable Says:

    As a Catholic I do not need to believe Noah actually built an ark and carried 2 of each animal. That is I can believe that is a fictional story that nevertheless speaks a truth about our relationship with God.

    But when it comes to the new testament things are a bit different. We are expected to believe that those events actually happened. Opinions vary but that Jesus actually died and that he actually rose from the dead would be something we take as historical.

    • paarsurrey Says:

      @ trueandreasonable :March 11, 2014 at 11:46 pm

      I am pleased to learn that you are Catholic; I always hold them with high esteem.

      I will discuss your second passage at first.

      It is your blind faith or that is what you have been made to believe by sinful Paul and the Church that innocent Jesus died on the Cross. It is not history as it never happened actually.

      Paul invented this creed or myth for a purpose or for his vested interest; may be not for much financial gains but otherwise. I don’t want to start Paul bashing though; yet for the love of innocent Jesus I have to decipher the coded truth.

      Those who commit stealing always leave clues by which an intelligent person would locate the stealers. Those who deceive also keep other things unchanged for credulity to the ordinary persons and only change things or fabricate things only the ones which support their purpose.

      If one analyzes the events of the Bible, which you know was not written by Jesus; where the accounts of crucifixion of Jesus has been narrated; it is not difficult to find the clues hidden under the apparent surface of the text.

      Evidences that Jesus did not die on the Cross but he got miraculously survived always existed but the first person who combined all such material in the form of a small book of about 122 pages titled “Jesus in India” is written by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 the Promised Messiah.

      The main points of the book “Jesus in India” are given below:

      1. Jesus did not die on the Cross; he survived a cursed death on it.
      2. Jesus was treated for his injuries inflicted on him on the Cross in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea.
      3. When Jesus’ injuries on the Cross were healed to the extent he could make a journey; he came out of the tomb and he met his disciples secretly to tell them that he survived and is the same person with the same body he had before he was put on the Cross.
      4. Then he went to Galilee; he did not and could not ascend to heavens; instead he secretly going up the hill went towards India; along with his mother Mary.
      5. Jesus traveled to India in search of and to meet the ten lost tribes of house of Israel who were settled in different parts of India.
      6. The book provided the root map of Jesus travel to India.
      7. Jesus visited different part of India and ultimately settled in Kashmir, India.
      8. He died a natural and physical death in India; and his grave is still found at Mohalla Khanyar, Srinagar, Kashmir, India.
      9. Jesus is not to come again literally and physically and his symbolic Second Coming has been fulfilled in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908.

      I give below the headings of the chapters of the book just for :
      Introduction of the contents of the same.

      Chapter 1
      • Evidence from the Gospels
      Chapter 2
      • Evidence from the Quran and Authentic traditions
      Chapter 3
      • Evidence derived from Medical Literature
      • List of Books mentioning Marham-i-Isa (ointment of Jesus), and that the Ointment was Prepared for Jesus’ Wounds
      Chapter 4
      • Evidence from Historical Records
      Section 1:
      • Evidence from Islamic literature concerning Jesus’ journeys
      • Probable Route Map of Jesus’ Journey to India
      Section 2:
      • Evidence from Buddhist Records
      Section 3:
      • Evidence from Historical Writings which Show that Jesus’ Journey to the Punjab and Neighbouring Territories was Inevitable
      • List of 24 Tribes of Abdalees
      Appendix

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_India_(book)

      The book is available online in PDF format freely; the link given below.

      http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Jesus-in-India.pdf

      Thanks

      • trueandreasonable Says:

        Thank you for this information.

        I will definitely take a look. Can I ask you, is this book popular among certain Muslims?

      • paarsurrey Says:

        Yes it is popular among Ahmadiyya Muslims; later many Western authors have written on this topic; even a BBC documentary is available on the topic.
        A film was also being made on it in India.
        Many Hindu, Buddhists and Muslim scholars from Kashmir who do not belong of Ahmadiyya Jamaat have written on this topic.

        Thanks for your interest on the topic.

        Regards

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  4. paarsurrey Says:

    @trueandreasonable : March 12, 2014 at 1:04 pm edit

    “I will definitely take a look.”

    Did you read the book I suggested.

    Thanks and regards

  5. paarsurrey Says:

    Hi trueandreasonable

    Did you finish reading the book I suggested.

    Regards

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