“On the origins of gods”

“On the origins of gods”

I have written a comment on a post titled “On the origins of gods” @ the following blog:


paarsurrey says:
January 20, 2014 at 00:20 : http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/on-the-origins-of-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-10464

It is just a guess work; or more accurately rather a leap in the dark. There is no evidence to support it.

Belief in the One-True-God is the natural and or default position; when one tilts to one side one believes in many god and when one tilts to the other side one denies Him.

This is done out of superstition and or ignorance; not out of any certainty or evidence. Doubt is also a position of ignorance not of evidence or certainty.

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3 Responses to ““On the origins of gods””

  1. paarsurrey Says:

    Comment by JW Gray@paarsurrey — January 19, 2014 @ 9:56 pm

    You think belief in the One-True-God is the default position. Well, people who don’t believe in the specific god you have in mind aren’t going to start believing just because you say it’s the default position. I don’t see how saying it’s the default position will do any good. Can you prove it’s the default position or is it just an opinion of yours?


    Comment by paarsurrey@JW Gray — January 19, 2014 @ 9:40 pm

    Well I don’t think just by my saying that belief in the One-True-God is the natural and default position; people would start believing it; though some may agree to my reasoning and may start believing it; I won’t object to it.

    I think just like that happened with Moses; he was a righteous person and when the On-True-God addressed Moses and revealed to Moses of Him, Moses did believe Him. I just quote here in this connection:

    [20:9] Allah — there is no God but He. His are the most beautiful names.
    [20:10] And has the story of Moses come to thee?
    [20:10] And has the story of Moses come to thee?
    [20:11] When he saw a fire, he said to his family, ‘Tarry ye, I perceive a fire; perhaps I may bring you a brand therefrom or find guidance at the fire.’
    [20:12] And when he came to it, he was called by a voice, ‘O Moses,
    [20:13] ‘Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa.
    [20:14] ‘And I have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed.
    [20:15] ‘Verily, I am Allah; there is no God beside Me. So serve Me, and observe Prayer for My remembrance.


    I think it was very reasonable and natural for Moses to believe in the One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parameshawara Eshawara); and it is also a default position.
    Am I right? Please


  2. paarsurrey Says:

    Comment by JW Gray @ paarsurrey — January 19, 2014 @ 10:17 pm


    I think it does make sense to say that prior to debate (and evidence), both sides need to argue for their position. Why? Because the point of debate is rational persuasion. It’s to get people to change their minds. We have no reason to expect people to change their mind without argument.

    The default position could be said to be the “skeptical” position insofar as neither side of the debate would be assumed to be a winner before the debate even starts.

    There might be some exceptions based on the unique situation we find ourselves in. Perhaps everyone prior to debate knows that “1+1=2.” In that case there would be no point in even having a debate over that fact.

    I have a problem with the view that some specific type of theism is considered to be the default position because we don’t all know that any specific god exists prior to debate. There are people who disagree with you about some specific god existing.

    You might personally have no interest in arguing that your theistic beliefs are true. That’s fine. You don’t have to. But if you want to rationally persuade anyone that your beliefs are true, then you have a reason to present arguments.

    I think philosophy requires us to argue for our controversial beliefs. To refuse to argue for our controversial beliefs would be to refuse to engage in philosophy. To say “I believe X” is not an example of doing philosophy.


    Comment by paarsurrey @ JW Gray — January 19, 2014 @ 11:43 pm

    That might be the position of your liking when you enter a debate with somebody. I will opt to enter a discussion with the position I believe in very truly and sincerely and I will give my reasons and arguments; at the same time I will be open to listen to the other party the reasons and arguments he gives. If his reasons are good enough to convince me to change my position; I will change it.

    I think it is very reasonable. Isn’t it?


  3. paarsurrey Says:

    makagutu says:
    January 20, 2014 at 14:25 http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/on-the-origins-of-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-10474

    We have had this one true god discussion before and given that am busy am not going to waste my time repeating how full of BS it is to repeat the same stupid line.

    paarsurrey says:
    January 20, 2014 at 19:40 http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/19/on-the-origins-of-gods/comment-page-1/#comment-10490

    You are still on the same untruthful line; well that is your prerogative; yet Truth is presented to you.
    Please don’t be angry; instead concentrate on the reasons and arguments.

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