What’s Trendy in Your Demographic?

Paarsurrey says:
“That is, if one can dismiss Christianity by saying “You were born in the U.S in 1974.”, why can’t one dismiss the currently trendy materialism with “You were born in the U.S. in 1992.”?”

Good and valid reasoning by Debilis.

Thanks

  • paarsurrey
    August 3rd, 2013 at 6:55 am

    “the choice isn’t between theism and “a lack of belief”. The choice is between theism and materialism. ”

    Well said; I agree with you.

  • paarsurrey
    August 3rd, 2013 at 6:59 am

    “Thus, the only real defense the typical materialist seems to have is to avoid the subject of materialism and shift back to (usually very poor) objections to God–as if rejecting God justified materialism.”

    I agree with it.

    I wrote following comments on the remarks by <violetwisp
    August 2nd, 2013 at 3:31 pm>

    Paarsurrey @ violetwisp
    paarsurrey
    August 3rd, 2013 at 7:05 am

    “But the fact remains that most people stick with the religion they are born into, and those who choose a different religion can only choose one that another human transmits to them. ”

    I agree with it to some extent.
    paarsurrey
    August 3rd, 2013 at 7:10 am

    “atheism is a natural evolutionary state”
    It is totally wrong.
    The original, normal and the natural position is belief in one true God; when man leaves this norm one either becomes polytheist or atheist.

    <Debilis
    August 2nd, 2013 at 9:57 pm>

    Paarsurrey @ Debilis
    paarsurrey
    August 3rd, 2013 at 7:33 am

    “That being the case, I’d say that religious and non-religious views are on equal footing with regard to this point. ”

    If we go by “reason only”; that is true with a little edge of the religious over the non-religious.

    This is the position when we are yet prior to the three levels of certainty leading to the one true God.

    Reason only is blind and cannot lead one anywhere without a conjugal partner even in the material and physical realm; not to speak of the ethical,moral and spiritual realms.

    paarsurrey
    August 3rd, 2013 at 7:35 am

    “My main trouble with it is that “this is a later state in our evolution” does not equate to “this is true”.”

    Very truly said.

    <Arkenaten
    August 3rd, 2013 at 5:43 am>

    Paarsurrey @ Arkenaten
    paarsurrey
    August 3rd, 2013 at 7:44 am

    “By trying to demonstrate an untenable position of the opposing belief you seem to think that through a process of elimination the ”Last Man Standing” as it were, will be Christianity.”

    But that is what Atheists are also doing exactly; by simply proving “Christianity” as false; they think Atheism/Materialism will prove to be true; never giving any evidence, which the atheist demand of others, that the “one true God does not exist”.

    paarsurrey
    August 3rd, 2013 at 7:48 am

    “The undeniable fact is this:
    Religion is losing ground across the globe hand over fist.
    Its eventual demise is by all accounts inevitable – or at least it will likely decline to the point where it becomes nothing but an oddity.”

    This is only a myth and superstition of the Atheists; at the most it is a conjecture. Please provide your evidence.

    Paarsurrey @ violetwisp

    violetwisp
    August 3rd, 2013 at 12:43 pm
    paarsurrey
    August 3rd, 2013 at 7:10 am

    “atheism is a natural evolutionary state”
    It is totally wrong.
    The original, normal and the natural position is belief in one true God; when man leaves this norm one either becomes polytheist or atheist.

    violetwisp
    August 3rd, 2013 at 12:46 pm

    “The original, normal and the natural position is belief in one true God; when man leaves this norm one either becomes polytheist or atheist.”
    I’m confused by this, I understood that all the ancestors of those who set up the monotheistic religions were polytheists. Does that not make polytheism the ‘original, normal and natural postion’? I wouldn’t argue with that, but your statement makes no sense.

    • paarsurrey
      August 3rd, 2013 at 2:15 pm

      @ violetwisp

      The original and normal position is belief in the one true God; all messenger prophets of all revealed religions of the world testify to it; namely Krishna, Buddha, Zoroaster, Moses, Socrates, Jesus, Muhammad.
      It should not be difficult to understand.

      Paarsurrey @ Keith Pinster

      Keith Pinster
      August 3rd, 2013 at 1:40 pm

      • paarsurrey
        August 3rd, 2013 at 2:28 pm

        @ Keith Pinster
        “delusional superstition”

        Will you please let us have your own concept about the words “delusional” and “superstition”; I think I requested you earlier for the later word, if I remember correctly. Please don’t copy/paste from a dictionary.
        May be the above words describe more of the atheists.
        Please don’t mind.

      • paarsurrey
        August 3rd, 2013 at 2:37 pm

        @ Keith Pinster
        “How many times do you have to be told this isn’t the case?”
        What is there to be angry about? I think one doesn’t have to persist at Debilis; please respond her with the normal courtesy becoming of the Humanists . If one cannot have a little tolerance; there is no compulsion to make immediate comments, one can defer it; if at all one should do it in a nicely and friendly way like Debilis does.

        • paarsurrey
          August 3rd, 2013 at 2:41 pm

          @ Keith Pinster
          “The atheistic standpoint is simply “YOU HAVE NOT PROVEN, LET ALONE PROVIDED ANY EVIDENCE AT ALL, FOR YOUR CLAIMS.” Why is that so hard for you to wrap your mind around”

          I think it is equally, if not more, relevant to Atheists; I have yet to see them provide an evidence that “the one true God does not exist”. Did they ever provide one? If, yes; please repeat it here.

Fide Dubitandum

10From David Smalley’s “Top Ten Reasons Why I’m an Athiest”:

8. All babies are Atheists. Religions are taught depending on the location and era in which you are raised. Being born in the U.S. in 1974 does not make you right, it most likely just makes you another Christian. That’s no better or worse than the person born in Tibet in 1955, who proudly worships the Dalai Lama.

I’m aware that many atheists have been hard at work arguing that atheism is merely “a lack of belief in theism”, but simply using this definition to claim that “all babies are atheists” isn’t going to produce a rational reason to think that adults should be.

While it is true that one’s culture has a profound influence on one’s beliefs (though it doesn’t dictate them, as Smalley implies here), this argument assumes that this is less true of the atheist’s view of…

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