The day science quietly killed religion

Paarsurrey says:

I don’t agree with you.
Religion has not been killed. It is still alive. Revealed religion covers ethical, moral and spiritual aspects of life; science covers the physical and material. They both complement one another; they are not contradictory.


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31 Responses to “The day science quietly killed religion”

  1. john zande Says:

    Of course religion is still alive…. foolish people will always believe in nonsense. The fact, though, that church spires have lightning rods demonstrates a total and complete lack of confidence in their own claims.

    • paarsurrey Says:

      Jesus never gave any instructions as to how to build a temple or a Church.Jesus never built a church; he was Jew. It has nothing to do with the truthful religion.

  2. paarsurrey Says:

    @ johns zande

    How would you define “useful”? Please

    Jesus did not bring any new religion; he followed the Word revealed on Moses.

    Neither Moses nor Jesus opposed science.

    • john zande Says:

      I said useful or new. Name one thing Jesus said which was actually new or useful. One thing. I challenge you to name just one thing

      Now, you bring up Moses, but it’s been known for well over 30 years that Moses never existed and the Exodus never happened. This is now common knowledge among archaeologists and even Jewish rabbis admit it. So, no Moses, now revelation….

      • paarsurrey Says:

        Jesus was a Jew and follower of Moses. He was entrusted by the one true God with the mission of reformation of the religion of Moses that was got corrupted by the corrupt clergy and Jesus did that well.

        Jesus had to suffer for this to the extent that he was put on the Cross; but he was delivered in near-dead position. Later he migrated from Judea to India to complete his mission as ten out of the twelve tribes of Israelites resided there. Jesus died in India and is buried there.

        History/Archaeology does not claim to have record of every thing happened in this world with 100% accuracy, in my opinion.

      • john zande Says:

        Wow… Is there a reason why you didn’t answer my question? I asked you to name just one thing new or useful said by Jesus. Is that seriously so difficult to answer?

        Now, you also seem to want to ignore evidence, which is typical. Moses did not exist and the Exodus never happened. There was no supernatural revelation. That is a fact. If you keep saying Moses you just end up looking like an idiot. I’m sorry, but that’s the simple truth.

        Famed Israeli archeologist, Prof. Ze’ev Herzog wrote: “The Israelites were never in Egypt, did not wander in the desert, did not conquer the land in a military campaign and did not pass it on to the 12 tribes of Israel. Most of those who are engaged in scientific work in the interlocking spheres of the Bible, archaeology and the history of the Jewish people and who once went into the field looking for proof to corroborate the Bible story now agree that the historic events relating to the stages of the Jewish people’s emergence are radically different from what that story tells.”

        To this Professor Magen Broshi, Archaeologist at the Israel Museum, confirmed: “I think there is no serious scholar in Israel or in the world who does not accept this position. Herzog represents a large group of Israeli scholars, and he stands squarely within the consensus. Twenty years ago even I wrote of the same matters and I was not an innovator. Archaeologists simply do not take the trouble of bringing their discoveries to public attention.”

        Christianity Today’s Kevin D. Miller wrote: “The fact is that not one shred of direct archaeological evidence has been found for Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob or the 400-plus years the children of Israel sojourned in Egypt. The same is true for their miraculous exodus from slavery.”

        Rabbi David Wolpe said: “The rejection of the Bible as literally true is more or less settled and understood among most Conservative rabbis.”

        Rabbi Steven Leder said: “Defending a rabbi in the 21st century for saying the Exodus story isn’t factual is like defending him for saying the Earth isn’t flat. It’s neither new nor shocking to most of us that the Earth is round or that the Torah isn’t a history book dictated to Moses by God on Mount Sinai.”

        Now, I could go on and on and on and on, but I think these few excerpts from the world leading Israeli archeologists, Jewish rabbis and Christian apologists are enough to tell you I’m right.

        So, I’ll say it again, there was no supernatural revelation. Your belief is wrong.

        Still, I would really like to hear you tell me one thing Jesus said which was actually new or useful.

      • paarsurrey Says:

        How do you say that Moses and Jesus did not have any Word of Revelation from the one true God?

        Any evidence you have for that?

      • john zande Says:

        Are you daft or something? Moses never existed. He is a fictional character invented in the 7th Century BCE. That, sir, is known and accepted even by Jewish rabbis.

        Again, Moses NEVER existed. He is a fictional character. Jewish rabbis know he is fictional and openly admit it. As such, there was NO supernatural revelation.

      • paarsurrey Says:

        A rabbi could be wrong. After all he is a human being. Similarly an Archaeologist also could make mistakes.

        Can’t they?

      • john zande Says:

        Choosing to deny the reality (the overwhelming consensus) is your choice. You are, of course, free to do so.

      • paarsurrey Says:

        Thank you; my choice is that they could be wrong. There is no consensus on it and it is not a science; even science is not considered to be 100% correct. We observe often new and better scientific concepts emerging and replacing or discarding the older ones.

        I think the humanists would agree with me on this.

        Do they?

      • john zande Says:

        There is an overwhelming consensus, and you know there is. Again, if you choose to ignore it then that is your doing, not mine. I can only show you the truth.

      • paarsurrey Says:

        I don’t think ever all the Archaeologists agree on this.

      • john zande Says:

        consensus doesn’t mean all. It means the vast majority.

      • paarsurrey Says:

        Even if there is one who differs; there is room for further investigations.

      • paarsurrey Says:

        Sir, I asked you to tell as to what you mean to be useful.

        To me, Jesus, Moses, Krishna, Buddha, Socrates, Zoroaster never said anything that was not useful.

        I did not claim that Jesus said or invented anything new.

        Did I say it?

      • john zande Says:

        OK, so you admit Jesus said absolutely NOTHING that was new or useful. Nothing at all. Zip. Zero. Zilch.

        Why, then, do you believe he was special in any way?

      • paarsurrey Says:

        I am waiting for your defining “useful”.

        I think atheists are reasonable people.

        Please let me know as to what you understand from being useful.

      • john zande Says:

        You seriously want a definition for a word like useful? It’s the opposite of useless.

        OK, but let’s say practical, functional, rational, sensible. Something that can be applied to the everyday betterment of one’s life, and the functioning of human societies.

        Now i also asked for something “new” as well. Something new or useful.

      • paarsurrey Says:

        You did ask new and useful; I admit.

        Now please tell me anything which he said or did that was not practical, functional, rational, sensible?

        Anybody among the viewers or readers are welcome to join this discussion. It is a friendly discussion not to bully anybody.

        Everybody has a choice to be a humanist; I respect their choice.

      • john zande Says:

        Excuse me, but i asked you to tell me. Please don’t try and wriggle your way out of the question. It’s quite simple: name something (anything) new or useful said by Jesus.

      • paarsurrey Says:

        Jesus said:

        The Messiahhimself said, ‘O children of Israel, worship Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord.’ Surely, whoso associates partners with Allah, him has Allah forbidden Heaven, and the Fire will be his resort. And the wrongdoers shall have no helpers.

        I think it is useful

      • john zande Says:

        What a ridiculous answer. How’s that useful?

      • paarsurrey Says:

        What is bad or unsueful there?

      • paarsurrey Says:

        Please define as to what you think is useful.

  3. paarsurrey Says:

    I think it is an answer of your question in a way; if one cannot point out anything which he did or said as being not practical, functional, rational, sensible that fairly answers your question; though differently.

    I know that many deeds and words are ascribed to Jesus wrongly that make his image mythical.

    Jesus did not die on the cross; but Paul invented a religion out of it mythically which is know as Christianity; it has got nothing to do with Jesus.

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