The true religion invites comparison

I wrote posts on <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the topic < The true religion invites comparison >. I did not start the thread. The posts are given below for the viewers of this blog.

#31 #41 #47 #71 #72 #74  #75 #119 #120

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Paarsurrey wrote:

#31

Originally Posted by Gram28I believe that the one true religion will embrace the spirit of freedom of religion and freedom to choose, confident that it will win out. Those of a false religion will tend to erect laws forbidding the free exchange of literature and freedom to practice it- thus indicating their falsity. Now look at the countries of particular concern and decide for yourself which religion(s) is subconsciously proclaiming itself false while claiming that it’s true and will take over the world.

Paarsurrey wrote: The sentence in the bolds describes Islam.

#41

Originally Posted by paarsurreyThe sentence in the bolds describes Islam.

dyanaprajna2011Zen; wrote:This is incorrect. The Quran says that those who believe in God, the angels, the messengers, and the last day, will have their reward with god. This does away with a lot of eastern religion. The Quran also states that god hates the unbelievers. This does away with every religion but Islam. The Hadith separates man into two camps, the believers, or Ummah, and the unbelievers, the kafir. So how exactly does Islam foster the spirit of religious tolerance, and the freedom to choose one’s religion? Even though the Quran says that Jews and Christians are basically the same as Muslims, they are highly persecuted in predominantly Islamic nations. So please explain how your statement is true.

#47

Muffled Religion: Christian

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011This is incorrect. The Quran says that those who believe in God, the angels, the messengers, and the last day, will have their reward with god. This does away with alot of eastern religion.The Quran also states that god hates the unbelievers. This does away with every religion but Islam. The Hadith separates man into two camps, the believers, or Ummah, and the unbelievers,the kafir. So how exactly does Islam foster the spirit of religious tolerance, and the freedom to choose one’s religion? Even though the Quran says that Jews and Christians are basically the same as Muslims, they are highly persecuted in predominantly Islamic nations. So please explain how your statement is true.

I believe that is a narrow interpretation. There are many religions that believe in God.

Hadiths are not the word of God and therfore not dependable for doctrine.

Obviously there is a difference between what the scripture says and the beliefs of the adherents.

#71

Originally Posted by Gram28I believe that the one true religion will embrace the spirit of freedom of religion and freedom to choose, confident that it will win out. Those of a false religion will tend to erect laws forbidding the free exchange of literature and freedom to practice it- thus indicating their falsity.

Paarsurrey wrote: I agree with you; it is a reasonable proposition.

#72

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011This is incorrect. The Quran says that those who believe in God, the angels, the messengers, and the last day, will have their reward with god. This does away with alot of eastern religion. The Quran also states that god hates the unbelievers. This does away with every religion but Islam. The Hadith separates man into two camps, the believers, or Ummah, and the unbelievers, the kafir. So how exactly does Islam foster the spirit of religious tolerance, and the freedom to choose one’s religion? Even though the Quran says that Jews and Christians are basically the same as Muslims, they are highly persecuted in predominantly Islamic nations. So please explain how your statement is true.

Paarsurrey wrote: Please quote the specific verse of Quran; that may clarify your point.

#74

Originally Posted by paarsurreyPlease quote the specific verse of Quran; that may clarify your point.

dyanaprajna2011  Zen: wrote:

4:136, 2:62, 5:69. Those are the ones off the top of my head. But why do you ask what verses I spoke of-surely you know your own book better than I do.

#75

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna20114:136, 2:62, 5:69. Those are the ones off the top of my head. But why do you ask what verses I spoke of-surely you know your own book better than I do.

Paarsurrey wrote: I take the first reference mentioned by you and give it here with one verse preceding and one verse following for the context:

[4:136] O ye who believe! be strict in observing justice, and be witnesses for Allah, even though it be against yourselves or against parents and kindred. Whether he be rich or poor, Allah is more regardful of them both than you are. Therefore follow not low desires so that you may be able to act equitably. And if you conceal the truth or evade it, then remember that Allah is well aware of what you do.
[4:137] O ye who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger, and in the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger, and the Book which He revealed before it. And whoso disbelieves in Allah and His angels, and His Books, and His Messengers, and the Last Day, has surely strayed far away.
[4:138] Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine – Al Islam Online

I don’t think the verse is in any way against other religions; to me, other religions are not even remotely mentioned in the verse or in the verses in the context.

Will one kindly justify one’s viewpoint from the verse 4:136/137?

#119

Paarsurrey wrote:

I think for comparison of revealed religion; the believers of revealed scriptures should strictly mention their claims and reason from the scriptures they believe in; if they cannot do that then it is understood that they don’t believe their scriptures in their present form to be complete or that they have lost the original light they once had.

Of course others could differ with me with brilliant arguments.

#120

Paarsurrey wrote:

The claims and its reasons both are must to be given for an eternal truthful scripture

 

Note:

If one likes one is welcome to discuss on the topic in this blog even if one differs with me.

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