Paarsurrey respects the people of Nation of Islam


I wrote posts on <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the topic <  Another Man of Allah (God) *after* Muhammad (so says hadith)>; the posts are given below for the viewers of this blog.

#2  #6 #21  #30   #37  #38 #41   #43   #46  #47  #49 #51 #55

(To see the context of a post, please, click the post #; that will take you to the full single view of the post in the forum, and then click the thread topic on the right upper corner, that will take you to the discussion that ensued in the forum.)

Paarsurrey wrote:

#38

Originally Posted by Yahyaa WaahidTo anyone else (besides Assad) reading this, first I am not a member of the Nation of Islam. My religion is Sabianism but I do believe in the Honorable Elijah Muhammad (the leader of the Nation of Islam,) who is represented to the world today by Minister Louis Farrakhan.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad & Minister Farrakhan are men who are very misrepresented in Western society & media; they are flat out LIED on sometimes. If you want to learn more about what the Nation of Islam teaches & believes, they have a website at http://www.noi.org. Here are two suggested links from that site:

Brief history on origin of the Nation of Islam

The Muslim Program (Wants & Beliefs)

Peace.
Yahyaa Waahid

Originally posted by Paarsurrey:

Did FARD MUHAMMAD,Elijah Muhammad and or Farrakhan receive any Word of Revelation (Wahee or Ilham) from the one true God. Please quote from each one of them in this connection individually in first person; not what others believe about them.

Thanks

#41

Now that is Farrakhan saying that Elijah Muhammad was a Messenger of Allah and the Christ.

Please quote from Elijah Muhammad where Elijah Muhammad says and quotes Wahee (Word of Revelation) descended on him that he is Messenger of Allah and the Christ, in first person.

#43

You could not quote from him; it seem to be your general impression.

So Elijah Muhammad did not claim to be what you think he was. He never was.

#46

I don’t judge anybody; I leave it to the Master of the Day of Judgement. I respect the people of Nation of Islam.

#47

I will some up the points of my some posts for friend Yahyaa Waahid here.

1. As per the principles of the interpretation of Hadith, Hadith should be interpreted within the ambit of Quran and not outside of it.

2. Nation of Islam people could not point out any verse of Quran under which their leaders claim to be a Messiah or Imam Mahdi. So their claim is just to be taken as a literary messiah, not strictly speaking of a religious Messiah, as sometimes a good doctor could be said to be a messiah by his patients.

They are social leaders of African people living in America; if they have uplifted their people from a low status to higher one and given them self-assurance, to that extent their services should be appreciated, and not out of that.

3. Even Sahih Hadith Muslim mentions that when the Messiah comes he would receive Wahee or Word of Revelation to guide him from the one true God.

4. The Messiah would be a successor of Muhammad and not a Christian; he will follow Quran and its commandments. He will bring no new teachings and will not cancel any teachings of Quran.

5. The Messiah will be a prophet messenger of God and an Ummati of Muhammad, a follower of him; he will be an Ummati Nabee, a follower prophet of Muhammad.

6. Since he will be guided by Wahee by God, hence, another title/name of him will be of Imam Mahdi.

I think the above do not fit on FARD MUHAMMAD,Elijah Muhammad and or Farrakhan, leaders of Nation of Islam.

There being no categorical and specific claim from them having been appointed Messiah or Imam Mahdi by express Wahee or Word of Revelation from the one true God and that is why you could not quote from him; it seem to be your general impression about them which has been found to be incorrect.

So Elijah Muhammad did not claim to be what you think he was. He never was.

I, however, respect the people of Nation of Islam as they say that they are Muslims and they believe in Quran.

#49

Sorry to repeat again; this might be your impression only and it might be shared by his other followers also, that does not make it a proper religious claim; for that many quotations from him in first person be given, please.

There are specific warnings about a false claimant one must be aware of in Bible and Quran.

#51

Originally Posted by Yahyaa WaahidYes Sir…I don’t remember his exact words with 100% recollection but if I remember correctly, during his (The Honorable Elijah Muhammad) Theology of Time Lecture Series, he was discussing Jesus of the Bible and he said words to the effect that those who were teaching American Blacks Christianity wanted Blacks to believe that the Jesus of the Bible (the Messiah) came 2,000 years ago. If he was not discussing that point about Jesus he was discussing something else about him, and all that I remember him saying in reference to Jesus is, “you’re looking at him.” His National Representative Minister Louis Farrakhan could probably quote his exact words if you ever listen to Minister Farrakhan, but if you want to hear the exact quote, you can hear it buy purchasing the Theology of Time Lecture Series which you can do at: HEM CD Messages. Minister Farrakhan, who again is the Honorable Elijah Muhammad’s National Representative declares that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad is the exalted Christ.

As-Salaam Alaikum.
Bro. Yahyaa

Originally posted by Paarsurrey:

This is an age of writing, if he spoke something; why did he not commit it to writing?

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