“If the bible is the word of God” | akin to finding jewels in the rubble

Hank Kimball says:


(While commenting on one of my posts <https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2013/05/04/i-have-studied-bible-both-ot-and-nt-from-cover-to-cover/#comment-2798>.)

“If the bible is the word of God, it is unrighteous and dishonest to use any other book to interpret it.”

 Paarsurrey says:

It should be a very big “if”.

Bible is a mess; finding Word of God in it is akin to finding jewels in the rubble; though not impossible.

NT Bible is errant; written by errant scribes. It is neither authored by the one true Creator God whom Jesus used to call God-the-Father nor by Jesus himself. It is not even dictated by Jesus; not even written by men authorized in writing by Jesus to write it on his behalf.

Gospels are not work of inspiration either; angels cannot inspire such incorrect information as we find many contradictory accounts of Jesus’ life in the Bible.

It is wrong to say that it was written by person who got inspired by the holy spirit. The holy spirit does not inspire to errant and sinful persons. The contradictions show, if at all, it is the evil spirit in them which inspired them.

Gospels did not record event of crucifixion and resurrection by the eye-witnesses; it is written that they all deserted Jesus and fled away.

Jesus did not belong to the physical lineage of King David as written by errant Matthew and errant Luke.

Bible presents Jesus as god; on what basis?

If it is on the basis of Paul or Gospels; that makes it a circular argument and Christianity reduces to a misnomer; it should be named after Paul.

The reasons or arguments should be from elsewhere; from a book or Gospel written by Jesus himself or dictated by Jesus, if it is to be truly called Christianity.

Jesus never, ever, appointed any attorney to write for him. So what the sinful disciples wrote, it had got nothing to do with Jesus or his teachings.

When Paul doctored the anonymous writing called gospels and named them after Jesus’ disciples to give some credulity to them; Jesus was at that time very much alive and was travelling towards India and the neighbouring countries; unaware of the misdeeds of Paul and the scribes in his absence.

Since we believe in Jesus and love him and his mother; we are willing to accept, whatever God Allah YHWH revealed Word from his mouth on the heart of Jesus; provided Jesus had himself written it, Jesus had dictated it verbatim in the original language revealed in.

Even if no Word was revealed on Jesus which he should have preserved for the Christian friends; but Jesus himself said something and wrote it himself or dictated it himself or authenticated it or authorized somebody before the event of Crucifixion to write for him; though that would be only at a Secondary Level, yet for our Christian friends we could consider that.

Has any Christian got anything like that? If so it is welcome to an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.

Other Christians are also welcome to join this discussion in search and understanding of Truth.

I believe that Jesus was a truthful person and existed historically only because his and his mother Mary’s accounts have been mentioned in Quran. Except for the Muslims, you know that no other religion believes that Jesus and Mary even existed in this world; I think one should appreciate it.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.



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2 Responses to ““If the bible is the word of God” | akin to finding jewels in the rubble”

  1. Hank Kimball Says:

    2 Timothy 3:16; “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.”
    You could take note that the aforementioned scripture is in a book of only 4 chapters. It’s clear to me that it is referring to ALL biblical scriptures.

    One man can not comprehend the bible. It is to much information for a man to comprehend in one life time. A man can certainly read the bible. I submit to you a serious and exhaustive study of the bible is best done by a collective of men, whose only desire is to seek the truth about the bible. By this ‘group conscience’ there is a much less chance of personal interpretation of scripture. This group must use some kind of formula to at least pull from the bible important and fundamental spiritual realities. So, a group of men might begin by asking themselves honest questions about God. Begin with asking precisely who God is. They could then find absolutely everything the bible states concerning the identity of God, and so on. To their own honest satisfaction, at least.

    The very first thing one would see is that this so-called “God” created the heavens and the earth, There you have one facet in the identity and logical process of uncovering God. This ‘process’ of asking and answering is important. This is because, although the bible is put together chronologically, seeking out specific truths is the quickest way in discerning facts the bible states and seeing the harmony in which, a lot of people claim the book wasn’t written.

    Obviously a singleness of purpose; to find out what the bible says about such items as God,Jesus, sin, eternal life, what happens when we die, prophesies, is there prophesies that have been made in the OT that were fulfilled in the NT, Moses, languages, slavery, what is Daniel all about, Revelation? Zachariah? Ezekiel?

    I submit to you that just the very information concerning these would take diligent and honest work in searching out the bible’s statements on these ‘topics’.

    I further submit to you that something more will happen if the motives for such work is honest and persevering. A joy and a deep desire to know more, and a visceral conviction that the bible is the word of God.
    An honest search for God will always end with the beginning of understanding.

    Remember what I had said about preconceived ideas about God that most people have long BEFORE ever approaching the bible.
    The principle of scripture interpreting scripture is the ONLY way to comprehend the bible. 5 or 10 men in this endeavor becomes a fellowship you will begin to crave!

    This is the very process by which I was fortunate enough to come into! IF the bible is the word of God, than reason tells me that it would be ALL I would need. As it states in 2 Timothy 3:16; “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness,17that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.

  2. Hank Kimball Says:

    Asking questions about skeptical ideas is only an honest and wise man’s fault. It can only lead to truth and conviction! The truth is what sets us free spiritually. To not know everything leaves us open to new information. We can only be defeated by an attitude of intolerance and indifference.

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