Religion does not need immoral stories of Bible

As for as I know religion is for development of human faculties in ethical, moral and spiritual realms; and religion guides one to tread on the footprints of the founders of the religion.

Genesis narrations are so immoral at some places that not even an ordinary human being would like to do as stated therein. One has to search for jewels from the rubble called Bible; I mean moral events distinctively from the immoral as mentioned below.

Chapter 12

(Account of Abram or Abraham)

[11] And when he was near to enter into Egypt, he said to Sarai his wife: I know that thou art a beautiful woman: [12] And that when the Egyptians shall see thee, they will say: She is his wife: and they will kill me, and keep thee. [13] Say, therefore, I pray thee, that thou art my sister: that I may be well used for thee, and that my soul may live for thy sake. [14] And when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians saw the woman that she was very beautiful. [15] And the princes told Pharao, and praised her before him: and the woman was taken into the house of Pharao.

[16] And they used Abram well for her sake. And he had sheep and oxen, and he asses, and men servants and maid servants, and she asses, and camels. [17] But the Lord scourged Pharao and his house with most grievous stripes for Sarai, Abram’ s wife. [18] And Pharao called Abram, and said to him: What is this that thou hast done to me? Why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?[19] For what cause didst thou say, she was thy sister, that I might take her to my wife? Now, therefore, there is thy wife, take her, and go thy way.

Chapter 19

Lot

[4] But before they went to bed, the men of the city beset the house both young and old, all the people together. [5] And they called Lot, and said to him: Where are the men that came in to thee at night? bring them out hither that we may know them:

[6] Lot went out to them, and shut the door after him, and said: [7] Do not so, I beseech you, my brethren, do not commit this evil. [8] I have two daughters who as yet have not known man: I will bring them out to you, and abuse you them as it shall please you, so that you do no evil to these men, because they are come in under the shadow of my roof.

Chapter 20

[1] Abraham removed from thence to the south country, and dwelt between Cades and Sur, and sojourned in Gerara. [2] And he said of Sara his wife: She is my sister. So Abimelech the king of Gerara sent, and took her. [3] And God came to Abimelech in a dream by night, and he said to him: Lo thou shalt die for the woman thou hast taken: for she hath a husband. [4]

Chapter 26

[6] So Isaac abode in Gerara. [7] And when he was asked by the men of that place, concerning his wife, he answered: She is my sister; for he was afraid to confess that she was his wife, thinking lest perhaps they would kill him because of her beauty. [8] And when very many days were passed, and he abode there, Abimelech king of the Palestines looking out through a window, saw him playing with Rebecca his wife. [9] And calling for him, he said: It is evident she is thy wife: why didst thou feign her to be thy sister? He answered: I feared lest I should die for her sake. [10] And Abimelech said: Why hast thou deceived us? Some man of the people might have lain with thy wife, and thou hadst brought upon us a great sin

Chapter 29

[18] And Jacob being in love with her, said: I will serve thee seven years for Rachel thy younger daughter.[19] Laban answered: It is better that I give her to thee than to another man; stay with me. [20] So Jacob served seven years for Rachel: and they seemed but a few days, because of the greatness of his love.

[21] And he said to Laban: Give me my wife; for now the time is fulfilled, that I may go in unto her.[22] And he, having invited a great number of his friends to the feast, made the marriage. [23] And at night he brought in Lia his daughter to him, [24] Giving his daughter a handmaid, named Zelpha. Now when Jacob had gone in to her according to custom when morning was come he saw it was Lia:

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/01012.htm

These are the deeds of people who were supposed to be under covenant from God; and  they were to distribute blessings to their off-spring and were to spread in the world.

If their character is moral; then please define as to what is immoral.

I know this has nothing to do with Abraham, Isaac, Lot and Jacob; it is the fabrication of the storytellers who narrated the oral tradition and to attract the audience they made them up . When oral tradition was committed to writing these were got added up by the scribes.

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One Response to “Religion does not need immoral stories of Bible”

  1. Hank Kimball (@HankKimball1) Says:

    Now this I can help with. It seems you have some ideas about what the bible should be in order to be the word of an perfect God. This you have in your mind before you even approach the scripture you cite. That’s called pre-judging or prejudice. It was Herbert Spencer that said, ” There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance. That principle is contempt prior to investigation”.
    Quite simply; it easy to find something ‘wrong’ when wrong is all you look for.
    You acquired a yardstick for determining what good moral conduct should look like.
    I am going to try and get you to see where the moral conduct that is pleasing to God is in the scripture you quote.
    First I would like to point out the condition of the soul as some seem to think it is unkillable. In Genesis 12: 13;….” and my soul will be certain to live due to you (his wife sarah).” Abraham IS A soul; he is not separate from it.
    I know the story. Abraham was a prophet of the one true God, Jehovah or Allah or Yahweh. SERVING God was the most important thing to Abraham. Don’t forget God tested Abraham with the sacrifice of his son. Abraham had his son on the alter, and was about to kill him, as God had commanded. I can’t seem to find this one particular scripture, it states that ; ‘he who loves their mother father or child more than me is not worthy of me, (or does not truly love me). What we do know for sure is that DOING the will of God was the most important thing to Abraham. Abraham doing the will of God was the most important thing to Sarah also.
    Women were created so man would have a companion. It may sound horrible and morally wrong for Abraham to throw his wife under the bus to save his own skin, literally, but, don’t forget, doing the will of God was more important to Abraham than his love for his wife. He did adore his wife. The account doesn’t speak of it, but Sarah loved her Husband and God.(according to other scripture) She also trusted her husbands judgement.
    You see it as Abraham being a coward and weakling. I believe it took great courage for Abraham to lie to MEN in order to serve God.
    I could have never done it. That is, GO into Egypt. I don’t believe I have that kind of courage. Think about it. If it was that Abraham was just afraid of dieing that he has his wife live a lie, why doesn’t he just NOT BOTHER TO GO into Egypt? It’s clear that he must go into Egypt by the will of God.
    Also, with Lot and his wife and daughters. Lot’s company where angels of God, unbeknownst to Lot. You have to remember that these guest were under the roof of Lot. Lot was responsible for them by law. It would be better for Lot to have his daughters raped than for one hair on the head of his guests to be harmed. That could cost Lot his whole family and possessions,and shame in the community. You have to understand the small value women had in the society of that day and area of the world. WHICH STILL has far to come.
    On the surface the conduct looks bad I agree. I would have taken pleasure in killing any man threatening my home and family. The first time I read it I saw Lot as a coward. Then I learned about the customs and laws of the times, and the fact that Lot and the rest of his family were found by these angels(the guests) as the only good and decent people to save before God destroyed the city.
    Take notice in the paragraph before the ones you quoted at Genesis 19: 1-3;-Now the two angels arrived at Sod′om by evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sod′om. When Lot caught sight of them, then he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the earth. And he proceeded to say: “Please, now, my lords, turn aside, please, into the house of ​YOUR​ servant and stay overnight and have ​YOUR​ feet washed. Then ​YOU​ must get up early and travel on ​YOUR​ way.” To this they said: “No, but in the public square is where we shall stay overnight.” But he was very insistent with them, so that they turned aside to him and came into his house. Then he made a feast for them, and he baked unfermented cakes, and they went to eating.”
    Can you see how even Lot had INSISTED these men stay at his home, that he would let no bad would come to them. Lot knew and worshiped God.
    Look at the story of Cain killing his brother Abel. BOTH Cain and Abel had just brought the fruits of their labor to God. God spoke to Cain about his attitude that was turning from jealousy to resentment to even worse; and God warned him that if he did not let go of his anger it would turn to sin. Cain did NOT LISTEN. GOD ACTUALLY SPOKE TO CAIN. Cain had hate in his heart and God KNEW IT and spoke to him to try and help him. CAIN killed his brother and God spoke to him further!
    Just that account alone states that even morally imperfect people can be conscious of God. God sees into the heart and intention of a man. God judges that. The bible I read states that in judgement God will not hastily judge a man solely on the appearance of his actions.
    Also at 2nd Peter 1:22 :Now that ​YOU​ have purified ​YOUR​ souls by [YOUR] obedience to the truth with unhypocritical brotherly affection as the result, love one another intensely from the heart. Here Paul (I know how much you love him) commands that those chosen by God in Pon′tus, Ga‧la′ti‧a, Cap‧pa‧do′ci‧a, Asia, and Bi‧thyn′i‧a, to the ones chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, are cleansed in the eyes of God and should now love eachother intensily, for it should be possible and beneficial to their continued faith and preaching work.
    It is not my thinking mind that I use to understand scriptures. If it were how could I possibly see any more than you do in what you have quoted? Based on your believes the prophets God uses in the bible cannot possibly be prophets.
    Consider this. If what you are stating about what you are reading in the bible is almost the complete opposite of what I am telling you it actually is, than it may be best to just agree to disagree. You seem like an intelligent young man. I do get a little angry at people knocking the bible and calling it a bunch of fairy tales. That’s when I know I have gotten to concerned over what other people think. I care that people do not know some fundamental truths about the bible. The first thing I like to tell people is that the choice between eternal life and not having eternal life is a choice of eternal life in a paradise on earth, or death. That’s it. There’s no such thing as a hell in the bible. The Christians HATE that idea.
    HELL:
    The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Other Bibles simply transliterate the original-language words that are sometimes rendered “hell”; that is, they express them with the letters of our alphabet but leave the words untranslated. What are those words? The Hebrew she’ohl′ and its Greek equivalent hai′des, which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind; also the Greek ge′en·na, which is used as a symbol of eternal destruction. However, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).

    Does the Bible indicate whether the dead experience pain?

    Eccl. 9:5, 10: “The living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all . . . All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol,* the place to which you are going.” (If they are conscious of nothing, they obviously feel no pain.) (*“Sheol,” AS, RS, NE, JB; “the grave,” KJ, Kx; “hell,” Dy; “the world of the dead,” TEV.)

    Ps. 146:4: “His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts* do perish.” (*“Thoughts,” KJ, 145:4 in Dy; “schemes,” JB; “plans,” RS, TEV.)
    SOUL
    Does the Bible indicate that the soul survives the death of the body?

    Ezek. 18:4: “The soul* that is sinning—it itself will die.” (*“Soul,” KJ, Dy, RS, NE, Kx; “the man,” JB; “the person,” TEV.)

    “The concept of ‘soul,’ meaning a purely spiritual, immaterial reality, separate from the ‘body,’ . . . does not exist in the Bible.”—La Parole de Dieu (Paris, 1960), Georges Auzou, professor of Sacred Scripture, Rouen Seminary, France, p. 128.

    “Although the Hebrew word nefesh [in the Hebrew Scriptures] is frequently translated as ‘soul,’ it would be inaccurate to read into it a Greek meaning. Nefesh . . . is never conceived of as operating separately from the body. In the New Testament the Greek word psyche is often translated as ‘soul’ but again should not be readily understood to have the meaning the word had for the Greek philosophers. It usually means ‘life,’ or ‘vitality,’ or, at times, ‘the self.’”—The Encyclopedia Americana (1977), Vol. 25, p. 236.

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