Had the disciples believed in Jesus, they would have left the body of Jesus where it was delivered from the Cross? Jesus woud have got alive forthwith and before everybody’s eyes.

Eric Prothro says:

I agree to say that it was weird to say that they were courageous because prior to the death and resurrection, they were not courageous.

In fact, they (disciples) did not understand hardly anything prior to the resurrection.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Eric

Thanks for agreeing with me that the disciples were dull in wisdom and low in understanding things in true perspective. At least Bible depicts them as people of low wisdom and low belief (Quran does not).

Nature of people and their psyche hardly changes; If as Bible says (though it is not correct) they had witnessed Jesus’ making dead Lazarus alive again; that should have made them good believers and courageous; but they never believed that Jesus would become alive after being dead. It was an afterthought or a later made up thought of clever Paul and the sinful scribes followed him.

Had they believed it; they would have not worried about the crucifixion or Jesus hurriedly being taken to the tomb for treatment? They feared about themselves too much and had no belief in the miracles of Jesus. They would have left the body of Jesus where it was delivered from the Cross. He woud have got alive forthwith and before everybody.

Why to take Jesus to Armithea’s tomb. In fact they would have asked Romans and Jews to break legs and bones of Jesus also as was done with the thiefs; Jesus would have got alive from the dead, as per Bible, even if Jesus was minced to pieces; as that would have made the miracle more marvelous and enhanced it credulity.

But they did not believe in the miracle of Lazarus; who was cured only from a near-dead position and hence they believed that Jesus could only get alive from the near dead.

They lacked courage and wisdom before the event of Crucifixion of Jesus; and their nature did not change; they remained dull in understanding and oblivious as to what was taking place inherently behind the apparent scene.

I see their eulogizing Jesus as the continuation of their dullness which took another form; nevertheless it remained with them. They remaind afar from the reality; as they were before the event of Crucifixion; and Paul allured them yet to another clever plot; and they fell into the ditch blindly.

Jesus secretly slipped away to India.

I am with innocent Jesus and innocent Mary; who were courageous in character; why should I be with the cunning Paul and the sinful scribes.

I respect your faith; yet I have to express what I believe sincerely.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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2 Responses to “Had the disciples believed in Jesus, they would have left the body of Jesus where it was delivered from the Cross? Jesus woud have got alive forthwith and before everybody’s eyes.”

  1. Marianne Says:

    Paar and Eric

    The apostles were not dull witted. Jesus spent 3 years training them and they were very smart and prepared to do their job.

    To say they were somehow stupid is an insult to their teacher Jesus.

    They believed in the resurrection of Lazarus, because they were there when it happened.

    Jesus died on the cross, and then he rose from the dead. HE never went to India. This is a fairy tale of unbelievers.

    Unless you accept the atonement death of Jesus on the cross, and his resurrection from the dead, your faith is wrong, and your relationship with Jesus is = 0 (zero), meaningless.

    Jesus came to die for our sins. If you reject this, then you reject him.

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    • paarsurrey Says:

      Marianne says:

      The apostles were not dull witted. Jesus spent 3 years training them and they were very smart and prepared to do their job.

      To say they were somehow stupid is an insult to their teacher Jesus.

      Paarsurrey says: But this is what the Bible presents them to be.

      Marianne says:

      They believed in the resurrection of Lazarus, because they were there when it happened.

      Paarsurrey says:

      Had they believed that Jesus had given life to a physically dead Lazarus; then they would have not deserted Jesus on the Cross’ they just ran away; actions speak more than the words sometimes.

      Marianne says:

      Jesus died on the cross, and then he rose from the dead.

      Paarsurrey says:

      If Jesus was physically dead, then his friends would have not been in hurry to take him to the tomb. They believed that Jesus was near-dead, hence they hurriedly took him to the tomb for treatment.

      If they had believed that he must be physically and literally dead and was to be alive from the dead, they would have kept him in the open; at least for the Jews to see Jesus perform the miracle. That never happened; and they did not expect it. They knew that Jesus was not physically dead.

      Marianne says:

      HE never went to India. This is a fairy tale of unbelievers.

      Paarsurrey says:

      The scribes did not write the gospel books to record the facts for the public. They wrote it for a specific purpose to support Paul’s weird theological philosophy.

      They did not mention accounts of Jesus’ earlier life; they had no interest in it.They did not have interest in what Jesus did after he went from Galilee. Jesus seeing their poor belief; secretly went to India.

      Marianne says:

      Unless you accept the atonement death of Jesus on the cross, and his resurrection from the dead, your faith is wrong, and your relationship with Jesus is = 0 (zero), meaningless.

      Paarsurrey says:

      There is no direct relationship between sins and Jesus’ supposed death on the Cross; which never happened. Sins are forgiven from the time of Adam to today under a separate process; whether Jesus died on the Cross or did not die on the Cross.My relationship with Jesus is meaningful; I believe in the same God Allah YHWH whom Jesus also believed.

      Marianne says:

      Jesus came to die for our sins. If you reject this, then you reject him.

      Paarsurrey says:

      Sorry, I don’t agree with you. Jesus came with a message from God Allah YHWH; that is why he was a Messenger and Prophet. Sins are forgiven by God Allah YHWH. Jesus has no authority to forgive sins; it is sole discretion of God Allah YHWH; this should be clearly understood.

      If a passerby in the street committs a sin; you won’t kill your son for the atonement of the passerby’s sins. It will be a most cruel thing to do.

      In the name of justice and love; Christianity presents a very cruel concept of God and atonement of sins, which is neither practical and rational nor natural and logical.

      I respect your faith; but this is what I sincerely belive and with logical reasons.

      You are welcome to express your faith; no compulsion; but it should not be blindfaith, it should be a reason oriented faith supported by reasons and logical arguments. Blindfaith is no faith.

      I love Jesus and Mary as described in Quran.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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