Did Joseph Smith believe that Jesus was God?

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend markparker1

I gather following points from you post:

1. Joseph Smith – my determination to ask of God …immediately I was seized upon by some power which entirely overcame me, and had such an astonishing influence over me as to bind my tongue so that I could not speakof this enemy which had seized upon me,…
2. A pillar of lightI saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air.
3. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
4. How can Joseph do anything but tell the truth about what happened, even if it offends Christian sects that believe in a Trinity, and perhaps perplexes you Paar,because it doesn’t fit with your understanding of Christianity and how that sits with Islam.
5. But the fear soon left me.
6. 33 He called me by name, and said unto me that he was a messenger sent from the presence of God to me, and that his name was Moroni; that God had a work for me to do.
7. Did you read the link?

Frankly speaking; I did not read the link as I did not find like reading it as yet.

Presently, I would remain focussed on what you write to me. I am not offended; why should I?

I have noted some points from your post, the same have been jotted down by me above. I think I sent you another post and also published it here in this blog. Please read it.

I don’t find in the first or in the second vision as narrated by you that God Allah YHWH talked to Joseph Smith.

It might be your guess or his guess that God Allah YHWH talked to him. Is it specifically mentioned by him? I could not see it there in the text.

So; Joseph Smith is not appointed by God Allah YHWH as Messenger Prophet of Him.

One more little question; did Joseph Smith believe that Jesus was God?

Any Mormon or any other viewer could join in the discussion, please.

I love Jesus and Mary as beautifully and rationally described in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

One could see the full comments made by markparker1 on my post here:

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/06/04/paul-and-joseph-smith-were-not-truthful-messengers-propohets-of-god-allah-yhwh-they-met-the-same-fate-god-so-arranged-that-they-were-killed/#comments

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4 Responses to “Did Joseph Smith believe that Jesus was God?”

  1. maaark Says:

    I was LDS when young. I was raised and still live in Salt Lake City, the capital of Mormonism.

    Critical issues as I see it through Biblical perspective and personal experience;
    1- the original vision Joseph Smith asks the wrong question “Which is the true church?” This is a continual war over who holds human authority as in pope vs. prophet vs. king. A true search for God would ask “Who are You God that I might know You?”
    2- Original vision; speaker claims that none of the churches are true and that “all of their creeds are an abomination to me”. This is a judgment upon all of Christianity and separates all of Mormonism as a cult outside of and superior to Christians. Mormons consistent with this vision should consider it an insult to be called Christian but now they want to insist that they really are Christian. Crazy, can’t have it both ways.
    3- Jesus says to know prophets by their fruit Matthew 7. LDS claim they have good fruit but they are referring to human works and institutions built by man. Fruit from God should first of all provide a connection to God, salvation and forgiveness, which should result in displaying the character traits of God. We can identify the character of one’s god by the character of the person. An angry unforgiving god will result in anger, violence, self justification, self made religion.
    4- Premise of LDS church and vision is a need for the restoration of the priesthood because Christian church had lost priesthood. It is a false premise. Christian priesthood is based on worthiness of Jesus our Priest. It is not about man’s worthiness.
    5- Common sense revelation from nature; even those who do not believe the Bible can see from observing nature that our Creator is far above all mankind. Our purpose in this life as humans is to take our place as creatures before our Creator. The LDS claim that our purpose is exaltation to become gods and that God the Creator was once a man like us. This is called “eternal progression”. It is an offense to nature and to scripture.

    BTW I’ll be out of town and won’t be able to reply for a few days.

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  2. maaark Says:

    Oooops forgot to answer main question; Did Joseph Smith believe Jesus was God? Mr. Smith believed Jesus was a god.

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  3. Sidney Carton Says:

    Mormons (like myself) believe in a Godhead, this doctrine is distinct from the doctrine of the trinity in the sense that we see three distinct beings in God the Father (YHWH, Allah), Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. In a sense they are all God, as each fills a particular role for the salvation of mankind. However, when Mormons reference God, it is almost always in sole reference to God the Father, for he, as the presiding member of the Godhead, is the one to whom the title is most accurately applied. When he delegates his divine authority to Christ or the Holy Spirit and they act in his name, then they may be formally considered “God” for they act in his name, and whether a message comes from God or his authorized servants, it is equally binding on the faithful and unbelieving alike.

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    • paarsurrey Says:

      Hi friend Sidney Carton

      While remaining focussed on the First Visions of Joseph Smith as sent to me by markparker1;

      Joseph Smith narrates/testifies:

      17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

      When two personages appeared before Joseph Smith and one of them pointing to the other said-“This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!”

      How did Joseph Smith come to know that the first personage was God Allah YHWH and the other was Jesus? The speaking personage did not mention about himself that he was God Allah YHWH; but only said about the other person- This is my beloved son. Hear him?

      Neithr he mentioned about himself that he was God Allah YHWH, nor he mentioned about the other personage that he was Jesus; he never uttered the name of Jesus from his mouth.

      How did Joseph Smith know that the first personage was of God Allah YHWH and the second person was Jesus?

      Was it just an impression of Joseph Smith? Did Joseph Smith have any concrete proof about the identity of the personages? Or if it was only an impression of Joseph Smith; nothing more than that, he could be altogether wrong in identifying the personages.

      After all Joseph Smith was a sinful person, apt to make mistakes of omissons and commissions.

      Are Mormons justified in believing that the first personage was God Allah YHWH and the second personage was Jesus?

      People do have sons and could introduce as “here is my son”; nothing ususal about it.

      It is a vague story; not fit to base a faith upon. Sorry, please don’t mind; my Mormon Christian friends would agree that it needs more clarification from them.

      I respect your faith.

      I love Jesus and Mary

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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