Cross – a symbol of terror of the ancient Romans should not be used by the Peaceful Christians now

Cross a symbol of terror/cruelty adopted by the Church will be broken by Jesus in Second Coming

paul8bee says:

http://paulscave.wordpress.com/theology/jeus-exists-formatted-version/

THE CROSS

I grew up in a Lutheran Church, where great emphasis was put on the crucifixion and resurrection. I was never quite sure of what they were trying to get at, so I just forgot about it. One day, years later, I read the bible all on my own, and I got a very different message than that which I was taught.

Everywhere around the world you see crosses on churches. Its a great symbol and easy to recognize. but the cross is more than just a neat symbol, it is the actual device used by the Roman Government to terrorize and control the masses by means of painful and humiliating execution.

The crucified were nailed to a cross in full view of the public and then left to die an agonizing death. Imagine the effect that this would have on friends and family. It would have been horrific and powerful tool. Thousands were crucified at the hands of the Romans. Just another day at the office for them. I don’t know which is worse, Crucifixion or Impalement.

If the method of the day had been a guillotine, would there be guillotines up on those roofs? How about if they executed people by hanging, would there be a hangman’s noose on front of the bible instead of a cross? How about a firing squad, would people then use the phrase, “the guns of Jesus?” What if he were drawn and quartered, or died on the electric chair … and so on.

The cross being an instrument of Government Power, adds a political flavor to the story of Jesus. Would his death carry the same weight if Jesus had fallen off of a cliff out in the wilderness? How about if he was bitten by a poison snake and died? If it were so important for him just die, so that he could come back to life again, then any death would have done. Drowning, eaten by a wild animal, or even Cancer. Any death would have done, but, he needed more than just to die.

It had to be at the hands of the government, and it had to be during the busiest time of the year when the ‘Most’ numbers of people would hear, and hopefully talk about it, the Passover Festival.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend paul8bee

I agree with you that Cross should not be used on the roof tops of the churches or worn in the neck by the peaceful Christian, of course one does not display the device with which one’s loved one got killed. It is most illogical and irrational to use this symbol for a religion. Is it necessary to continue the mistakes of the ancient people?

The scene of Christian God Father cutting throat of Jesus or putting Jesus of Bible on the Cross for imaginary salvation or atonement of the sins of the Catholics Protestants is most cruel from of terror.
I think it is for this that truthful Messenger Prophet Muhammad when he mentioned of Second Coming of Jesus, he also mentioned of rectification of this mistake of the Church continuing it without guidance from Jesus.

Muhammad mentioned that when Jesus Second Coming would take place, Jesus would break the Cross. Of course this would be done by Jesus with rational and logical reasons. Jesus in his Second Coming would expose the trick of the cunning Paul who invented the Theological Philosophy of Jesus’ death on Cross. Later Church fixed the Cross as the symbol of the Modern Christianity. Jesus in Second Coming will point out mistake of the Church and its false creeds, never sponsored/supported by Jesus at all.

This is my sincere understanding.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

I am a peaceful Ahmadiyya  Muslim

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https://www.alislam.org/book/jesus-in-india/

The News:

One will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armageddon? with its ” Peaceful Version”! 1

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1 | paarsurrey (wordpress.com)

One will be taken aback to note that Armegiddon/Armageddon is nothing like as one would have imagined or known so far. It is not to be fought with any physical and destructive weaponry and or the lethal arsenal of the day. It is peaceful and in fact, I understand, it has already started and it is sown like a seed!

It was a debate between the Pauline-Christianity (represented by Mr. Abdullah Atham) and the Second Coming 1835-1908 , that took place in Urdu language and was published then by the name “Jang-e-Muqaddas” in 1893 ( 22 May 1893 to 5 June 1893) in the then British India and has been recently translated and published in English by the name “The Holy War”:

The Holy War — A DEBATE BETWEEN ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY — Jang-e-Muqaddas (alislam.org)

Right?

From: a peaceful Ahmadiyya Muslim

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These are the days of Armageddon – the final battle between good and evil –The peaceful Version! 3

Has Armageddon already started with the advent of Second Coming 1835-1908 ?– The peaceful Version! 2

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15 Responses to “Cross – a symbol of terror of the ancient Romans should not be used by the Peaceful Christians now”

  1. awfrick Says:

    I totally agree; the cross is a symbol of torture and first-century execution, and it not appropriate to be worn as jewelry.

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    • paarsurrey Says:

      Hi friend awfrick

      I appreciate your charitable and humanitarian comments. Please remain in touch and keep the contact.

      I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

      Regards

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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  2. wdednh Says:

    Now regardless of the use of the cross by romans, Jesus went to the Cross willingly. For He knew without it his job would not have been done. Without Jesus on the Cross there would be no salvation. Yes Cross was and i repeat was a symbol of the goverment and its brutality, however when Jesus Christ went to that Cross He broke that power and made that symbol to become His. He told Peter when peter tryed to stop him from going to the Cross, He said ” Get behind me Satan; you are a stumbling block to me; for you are not thinking of the things of god, but of men. Then Jesus said to his disciples, He who wishes to follow me, let him deny himself, and take up his Cross and follow me”Matthew 16:23-24
    My friend with out the Cross there would be no shedding of Blood, with out the Blood there would be no payment for the sin. NO PAYMENT NO SALVATION!
    Nice blog by the way.

    P.S
    to the ahmadi the peaceful muslim, IF YOU LOVED JESUS AS YOU CLAIM YOU WOULD BE FOLLOWING HIM. AND AS YOU ADVISEED TO REMAIN IN TRUTH, I ADVISE YOU TO SERCH FOR THE TRUTH. AND BE TRUTHFULL, AND NOT INSULTING. FOR IF MOHAMAD WOULD KNOW JESUS HE WOULD BE A FOLLOWER ALSO.

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    • paarsurrey Says:

      wdednh says:

      Jesus went to the Cross willingly

      Paarsurrey says:

      Hi friend wdednh

      I don’t think that Jesus went to the Cross willingly. If he was a perfect of a god; he should have challenged the Jews to put him on the Cross to verify his godhead. Jesus should have announced that he was least worried if he was put the Cross, as nobody could kill him. But poor Jesus of Bible made no such claims. He is stated to have said “Matthew 26:42 “ My Father, if this chalice may not pass away, but I must drink it, thy will be done”.
      ” these were words of not willingness rather agreeing to a thing for which nothing was possible to de done by him, it had to be endured by him, it was destined for him, even if he wanted Jesus could not have avoided it.

      I wonder for the Christians; how they extract willingness of Jesus from his obvious unwillingness. Was it a suicide attempt by Jesus on the Cross? Is it a suicide attempt encouraged in Bible? Is a suicide attempt considered as a sacrifice? A weird suicide and a weird sacrifice!!!

      If he was willing then his praying was an absurd thing.

      If he was willing; what need he had to pray and to whom? He prayed not only in the garden called Gethsemane but right on the Cross. His last words on the Cross are stated to be Matthew 27:46. About three o’clock, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
      God o god why you have left me, are a proof of it.

      Jesus was rather disappointed, you would agree, rather than having the will to justify livingly. Why was he upset, if he was only going to get alive within three days? Did he fear that somebody would snatch his Universe from him to rule?

      Kindly justify in an understandable way that he was willing. He was not willing at all to die on the Cross; only the Church people have made the sheep believe this way, this is a story to suit their ends. Please think rationally and logically. If Jesus was willing, then why there is so much hue and cry of cruelty of the Jews and the Romans who executed Jesus. It should be a matter of joy rather a matter of sorrow, and should be celebrated accordingly.

      Why was Jesus, his mother Mary, and the disciples worried and in tension. Why the disciples fled away from the scene if they were sure that Jesus would get alive in three days? Why was Jesus hurriedly taken to a tomb? He should have been kept into the open if he was to get alive without the help of others.

      Jesus’ case, as depicted by the Bible, was not of a god but a disappointed person who had lost even the last hope and whose will was completely broken.

      I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran and not the mythical ones as presented by cunning and sinful Paul or the sinful scribes.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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  3. paul8bee Says:

    Wow, great comments.

    As I understand things. Human beings have an incredible talent for self delusion. We can create and imagine just about anything at all, and believe that our manufactured thoughts are real and absolute.
    I state this, because, before any serious discussion is to be had, all parties in the discussion must accept the truth that we all can be very wrong about what we believe, and we must be willing, at least, to admit we are wrong. “the smarter I get, the LESS I know”

    In philosophy we have a tenet that is called “An Appeal to Authority”
    Whenever I use a quote , such as the link I just posted, I am making an appeal to authority. This means that I am using the work of another to support my theory. This does not guarantee that the authority that I am quoting is correct, or that I am correct for that matter. Both I and the link could be false.

    Many times I use a link to the bible. This is an appeal to the authority of the bible. But, make note, I do not understand the bible to be absolutely correct in all its assertions.

    I have never read the Koran, therefore I can not have much of an opinion of what it says in that book. The fact is, that not one piece of literature is so perfect as to “not be misunderstood” .Human interpretation can twist the entire message. Having said all that, I’ll get to the point.

    The act of being crucified on the cross was a demonstration of freedom. How can you control a slave nation, if no one will do as they are told. Punishment was the way to control the slaves. Jesus, was out to free the enslaved, those enslaved by sin, and those who were enslaved to to law. The enslavement of the mind to disillusionment also slavery, as real as being forced to work manual labor at the end of a whip. Psychology is the study of the human mind. It is amazing just how much pain we put ourselves through with our minds.

    Rules are for those who are expected to obey, Principles are for those who are expected to think. Jesus was not demonstrating disobedience to the law, but instead he was demonstrating the Principle of freedom. In short, when the individual is finally free from the paralyzing fear , which slavery to sin makes us all, then that person will begin to know peace.

    This is my opinion, and I could be wrong.
    My goal, to communicate and not be misunderstood.

    Therefore I maintain that I am a scholar, and have much yet to learn.
    Thank for the dialog. It is always educational and inspirational to post ones thoughts and get some feedback.

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  4. wdednh Says:

    “And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death-even death on a cross!” – Philippians 2:8

    Dear Ahmadi,
    Jesus was fearful of the suffering he knew he would get, See being God and knowing what is coming and than you add human part… none the less He willingly obayed the God the father and went to the cross to correct the first disobediant act OF ADAM The First man. it is undrestanding that muslems and in that respect other sect always deny this act, for with out it there is no salvation.

    wdednh

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    • paarsurrey Says:

      Wdednh says:

      “And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to death-even death on a cross!” – Philippians 2:8

      Dear Ahmadi,

      Jesus was fearful of the suffering he knew he would get, See being God and knowing what is coming and than you add human part… none the less He willingly obeyed the God the father and went to the cross to correct the first disobedient act OF ADAM; the First man. It is an understanding that Muslims and in that respect other sect always deny this act, for with out it there is no salvation.

      wdednh

      Paarsurrey says;

      Hi friend wdednh

      I respect your faith. It is your birth right to believe in freely you are convinced or unconvinced with.

      As for me, sorry; why add a human part to Jesus for the Christians, for nothing? I don’t agree with you to add it to Jesus unless you are convinced that he was never a god, nor he could be one logically. If you are willing to admit that Jesus was not a god, then of course I would agree for you that Jesus was a human. A human and god have paradoxical attributes only showing the confusion of the cunning Paul and the sinful scribes of the gospels.

      For being a man it is essential for one to err. That is an essential part of the human attributes; if a man never makes a mistake then he is not a human being for sure to start with. It is only God who never makes mistakes; if He makes mistakes, then he is not logically a God; as simple as that.

      The Catholics Protestants have a choice; they should admit that Jesus was a human being and god he never was. It is on record that Jesus made certain mistakes, so he was a human being. If the Christians insist that Jesus was a man; then the onus of proving that Jesus used to make mistakes, is on the Christians; and they are welcome to point out mistakes that Jesus made from the Bible, authored by sinful Paul and the sinful scribes.

      The story of Adam tells us that Adam made mistakes; he erred because he was a human being. God Allah YHWH forgave Adam when he asked forgiveness for his sins; God had the divinity and power to forgive, so He exercised that. This nature of Adam, to err, is what has been in the genes of the human beings and which is hereditary in the human beings. When Jesus voluntarily admitted that he was a Son of Man or Son of Adam; then he logically admitted and accepted that he was apt to err.

      Excepting the weird psychology of the cunning and sinful Paul who cleverly wanted Jesus of Bible to ride two horses at the same time; it is very plain that Jesus had no divinity in him; not a single attribute of God Allah YHWH was in Jesus, Jesus was a man through and through.

      This is what I sincerely believe in rationally, logically and reasonably. However, you are welcome to prove your point, if you can, in the same spirit. You know I am a good listener.

      I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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  5. wdednh Says:

    Hello Mr. peaceful,
    Thank you for your interesting reply. You’ ve asked very intersting questions. But b4 I answer your questions would you please answer my questions?
    You in your writtings keep talking about Jesus of the Bible, and You talk about Cunning Paul and sinful scribs of the Bible, you talk about Love you have for Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran. Now would you please tell me :(1)What does Quran say about the Bible?
    (2)what does Quran say about Mary?
    (3)does Quran mentions virgin birth of JESUS CHRIST?
    (4)And if Quran mentions the virgin birth, what does it say the virgin was concived by?
    (5) also what is your thought on Israel as a country and as a Nation?
    So please tell me what QURAN says and if you are a true follower of it ?

    YOU WROTE AND I “This is what I sincerely believe in rationally, logically and reasonably. However, you are welcome to prove your point, if you can, in the same spirit. You know I am a good listener.”

    VERY NICLY DONE ; FOR EVEN BY ANSWERING YOU TO PROVE MY BELIEVE, I AM RATIONLLY, LOGICALLY AND REASONBLY ADMITTING THAH I AM NOT RATIONABLE, LOGICAL AND RESONBLE.

    wdednh
    p.s
    there is a American saying”The prove is in the pudding”

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    • paarsurrey Says:

      Hi friend wdednh

      English is not my mother language; so, I am not familiar with the American or English proverbs and phrases. I had to google to find out the meaning and history of the proverb “The proof is in the pudding”. Thanks for introducing one to me.

      Question:

      What does Quran say about the Bible?

      Answer:

      Quran respects all the Revealed Books of all the Religions; e.g., Torah of Moses or Gita of Krishna, or revelations made to Buddha, or Zoroaster; or for that matter any book revealed on the Messenger Prophets, all over the world. Bible/Torah is one of such Revealed Book. An Ahmadi peaceful Muslim has to believe that the persons on whom these books were revealed were truthful persons. Bible/Torah is said to be revealed on Moses; though I personally think that Genesis was not revealed on Moses.

      Since God Allah YHWH sent the Messengers with Divine Guidance, so Quran on broader basis confirms the original revelations to be true; and a Muslim cannot be a Muslim if he denies this basis. Not withstanding the above Quran makes a distinction between the Word of Revelation in origin, and the present form it is found now; some part conforming with the origin and some getting diluted by hands of its followers.

      No Muslim believes that the present Torah or the present Gospels entirely retain the form of the origin; these are mixed up now.

      The Messengers Prophets on whom these books were revealed were the truthful Messengers Prophets of God Allah YHWH; the revelations were also truthful in the origin, but unfortunately, the followers of these books made them tainted. This could be observed, easily by reading those books.

      The books are hardly found protected and secured with a fool proof system; having not the same text, word for word and letter for letter; in the original language of the Messengers on whom these are said to have been revealed.

      We find guidance originally revealed diluted to a great extent and also a lot of wisdom missing which must have been in them, if they are truthful now. It is for this that we don’t find both claims and reason intact in them.

      It is for this that we see the followers of these books spoon feeding the claims and reason into them so frequently; that forms a proof of an attempt to tamper with the text or adding meanings which are not there in the original texts and versions. The books itseld are deaf and dumb; while the followers boast about the wisdom.

      I think I shall have to add a recent example to illustrate the point.

      Pope Benedict’s Latest Take on Islam
      http://www.time.com/time/world/
      article/0,8599,1897119,00.html

      “Faith is in fact necessary in a world in which reason alone can become a form of extremism.” “When human reason humbly allows itself to be purified by faith… it is strengthened to resist presumption and reach beyond its own limitations.” I think with this he was perhaps hinting toward the Atheists and the Agnostics who are also called sometimes as Secularists or Humanists.
      He further added: “Christians describe God, among other ways, as creative Reason, which orders and guides the world,” the Pope said. “Muslims worship God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth, who has spoken to humanity.” The Pope seems to still believe that this distinction — between Christian faith that is “purified” by human reason, and Muslim faith that is simply received from God.

      The Highest Catholic Clergy is a dignitary; and our faith (Islam) enjoins us to respect dignitaries of all faiths/religions. As an individual he is entitled to free thinking and opinion; and I respect his faith.

      So the Catholic faith as incorporated in the Catholic Bible is purified by reason, as he claims.

      Now whose reason purifies the original text? It is anybody’s guess. If, I have understood it correctly, the Pope gets a license to add reasons or meaning to the revelation under the pretext of purifying the scriptures made by God Allah YHWH on Jesus. This they have been doing since the times of Paul; adding claims and reasons under the name of purification.

      Yet, the Gospels completely lack of any reasons, at least I could not find any reasonable, rational, and logical reasons for any theological assertions/expressions made or claimed in it. Kindly correct me if I have misunderstood anything the Clergy said.

      I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran not the mythical ones presented by sinful Paul and the sinful scribes.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      • paul8bee Says:

        “”The proof is in the pudding””
        I looked this up too.

        It means that the true value or quality of something can
        only be judged when it’s put to use or tried and tested.
        The meaning is often summed up as:
        “Results are what count…it’s not how you start, but how you finish.”

        I will explain my understanding of Proof
        Proof is “sufficient evidence to convince.” Once convinced, no further evidence is necessary. In a debate, both sides present their arguments and evidence.
        It does not matter how much evidence you have, or how authoritative it is, (for example, god himself could have spoken). If the other person is not convinced, you have no proof.

        But can anyone prove anything with absolute certainty? In the absence of absolute certainty I myself rely of faith, but faith alone is risky, as there is a chance I could put my trust in a falsehood.

        Some people are more easily convinced about things than others. There are those too who just need stronger evidence.

        But then there is the person who just will just reject any and all arguments. He will resist all logic and evidence and fight to the end, and you will be wrong till the end of time. He is possessed by a spirit of belligerent denial, and it seems that nothing short of a lightning bolt from god himself will change his view, and that may not help either.

        This type of person challenges me the most. He makes me rethink my thinking and try harder to become clear in what I say. I have often found error in my own thinking this way. I also was this arrogant person at one time. It took years for me to learn, that I did not know it all.

        thanks Ahmadi for the useful info on the Muslim way of thinking. I do not know very many Muslims here where I live on Vancouver Island BC Canada. I lived in Germany once, for 6 years, in 1986, and got to know many Turkish Muslims. They were very decent people.

        I agree that books can easily be twisted out of shape. Each time a story is told by someone new, the story changes a little bit. After a few centuries, the original story is totally different than it started out to be.

        Trouble with Jesus, is, that there are no eyewitness accounts, just books written decades after the fact. Jesus himself did not write a book, (It would have been something if he did)
        In many ways, people are discussing their personal private views on what Jesus is, and was. I claim that Jesus lives in the minds and hearts of the people who claim to know him. So that is a good place to look. I look for similarities and not so much the differences.

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    • paarsurrey Says:

      Wdednh says:

      (2) What does Quran say about Mary?
      (3) Does Quran mention virgin birth of JESUS CHRIST?
      (4)And if Quran mentions the virgin birth, what does it say the virgin was conceived by?

      Paarsurrey says:

      Hi friend wdednh

      All the above three questions are inter-related. I would request you to first read my earlier posts on the subject; by accessing my blog and putting following words in the search column, at the lowest right hand column: “John the Baptist, Mary, Jesus”, the relevant posts would be displayed.

      Please read those posts and if there is a further query it would be discussed. Sorry, for the inconvenience; only because of time restraint, please don’t mind.

      I copy paste one such posts here:
      https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/03/08/how-shall-i-have-a-son-when-my-wife-is-barren-zachariah/

      Originally Posted by George:

      God was responsible for the conception of Jesus. If He hadn’t interfered, Jesus would not have been conceived. God even determined that He would be male and He named Him.

      Paarsurrey says:

      Hi

      Jesus was conceived the same way Adam was conceived and or John the Baptist was conceived, in my opinion. Adam was also named by GodAllahYHWH. John the Baptist was also named by GodAllahYHWH.

      For your convenience I give here the text and the usual context from Quran:

      [19:1] بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ
      [19:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
      [19:2] ڪٓهيعٓصٓ
      [19:2] Kaf Ha Ya ‘Ain Sad.
      [19:3] ذِكۡرُ رَحۡمَتِ رَبِّكَ عَبۡدَهُ ۥ زَڪَرِيَّآ
      [19:3] This is an account of the mercy of thy Lord shown to His servant, Zachariah.
      [19:4] إِذۡ نَادَىٰ رَبَّهُ ۥ نِدَآءً خَفِيًّ۬ا
      [19:4] When he called upon his Lord, a secret calling,
      [19:5] قَالَ رَبِّ إِنِّى وَهَنَ ٱلۡعَظۡمُ مِنِّى وَٱشۡتَعَلَ ٱلرَّأۡسُ شَيۡبً۬ا وَلَمۡ أَڪُنۢ بِدُعَآٮِٕكَ رَبِّ شَقِيًّ۬ا
      [19:5] He said, ‘My Lord, the bones have indeed waxed feeble in me, and the head glistens with hoariness, but never, my Lord, have I been unblessed in my prayer to Thee.
      [19:6] وَإِنِّى خِفۡتُ ٱلۡمَوَٲلِىَ مِن وَرَآءِى وَڪَانَتِ ٱمۡرَأَتِى عَاقِرً۬ا فَهَبۡ لِى مِن لَّدُنكَ وَلِيًّ۬ا
      [19:6] ‘And I fear my relations after me, and my wife is barren. Grant me, therefore, a successor from Thyself,
      [19:7] يَرِثُنِى وَيَرِثُ مِنۡ ءَالِ يَعۡقُوبَ‌ۖ وَٱجۡعَلۡهُ رَبِّ رَضِيًّ۬ا
      [19:7] ‘That he may be heir to me and to the House of Jacob. And make him, my Lord, well-pleasing to Thee.’
      [19:8] يَـٰزَڪَرِيَّآ إِنَّا نُبَشِّرُكَ بِغُلَـٰمٍ ٱسۡمُهُ ۥ يَحۡيَىٰ لَمۡ نَجۡعَل لَّهُ ۥ مِن قَبۡلُ سَمِيًّ۬ا
      [19:8] ‘O Zachariah, We give thee glad tidings of a son whose name shall be Yahya‡. We have not made any one before him of that name.’
      [19:9] قَالَ رَبِّ أَنَّىٰ يَكُونُ لِى غُلَـٰمٌ۬ وَڪَانَتِ ٱمۡرَأَتِى عَاقِرً۬ا وَقَدۡ بَلَغۡتُ مِنَ ٱلۡڪِبَرِ عِتِيًّ۬ا
      [19:9] He said, ‘My Lord, how shall I have a son when my wife is barren and I have reached the extreme limit of old age?’
      [19:10] قَالَ كَذَٲلِكَ قَالَ رَبُّكَ هُوَ عَلَىَّ هَيِّنٌ۬ وَقَدۡ خَلَقۡتُكَ مِن قَبۡلُ وَلَمۡ تَكُ شَيۡـًٔ۬ا
      [19:10] He said, ‘So it is.’ But thy Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me, and indeed I created thee before, when thou wast nothing.’

      http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Or+Go+to+Chapter%3A&ch=19

      The conception of John the Baptist and of Jesus was similar and was not at all any difficult for God Allah YHWH.
      It was the humble prayers of Mother of Mary and Zachariah which God Allah YHWH did accept and hence both the pious cousins were conceived and born naturally though.

      Indeed God Allah YHWH is the greatest.

      God could accept the prayers of the believers however impossible the prayers might seem. God could make an impossible as possible in a natural and easy way.

      One must see here that Quran gives the text for a claim and also a reason thereof: Bible either won’t give a clear text for a claim in support of the Christians; and reason Bible just not have that, the Christians have to put words and reasons into the mouth of Jesus who even does not acknowledge to have accepted them.

      I love Jesus and Mary as I do love John the Baptist and his mother.

      Thanks

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  6. paul8bee Says:

    *John 19:10 “Do you refuse to speak to me?” Pilate said. “Don’t you realize I have power either to free you or to crucify you?”
    **John 13:7 Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand.”
    ***Luke 23:34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.” And they divided up his clothes by casting lots.

    So, 2000 years later, people are still fighting over what it was that he did. Today, this is how I understand things.

    Jesus knew very well what he was doing. He went to the cross willingly. It is possible that he saw no other alternative.

    Draw a parallel to the WWII soldiers who stormed the beaches at Normandy. They went willingly too, but not really. If there had been a choice, I would guess that most would have not gone. But the end of the Nazi terror regime had to end. They went because they ‘Had to go”. They were driven by a higher calling, not because they chose pain and death and war over a life of peace.

    Jesus, was going to show the world that neither the law of the old testament nor the law of the Romans could enslave people anymore. Now people would live by the spirit. Instead of living in fear of punishment for breaking the law. The law was the law of man. It was no longer binding. The new way was that of spirit, not law. People are enslaved by their own mindless beliefs in superstition and false ideas,
    Jesus was out to to make a point He was making a demonstration of Freedom. The beliefs in false truth, and ancient law had enslaved an entire nation.
    Disobedience to the law was punishable by torture and death. Jesus was showing the way to freedom through the spirit. The final death on the cross was to mean that the days of fearing punishment were over. So to speak the crimes of disobedience had been paid for, once and all.
    ****Romans 7:6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
    The old evil self has to die, so that the new spirit of life can enter. That is the true salvation. A rebirth of spirit. A transformation of soul. A restoration of sanity. A cleansing of the mind. Call it what you will. The principle will never change.

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  7. wdednh Says:

    Well,
    Thanks for an answer, even though it was evasive, none the less thanks for taking the time.
    English it not my mother language either. Any how when You have time to answer my questions with out going around and around and saying the same thing in diffrent sentences, i’ll be waitting. And also thanks to profesor for his comments.
    My friend (Paarsurrey), if I be so bold to call you Friend, I’ll be witting for your answers and please, please , please answer them rationally, logically and reasonably.
    thanks
    wdednh

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  8. markparker1 Says:

    I’m a Mormon and we do not use the cross as a symbol on our Christian buildings, some members may wear a cross as jewlery and many other Christian people associate the cross with Christ, and of coarse I would not judge them on that, but I am glad we do not use it. What we have are things like ‘CTR’ rings, ‘CTR’ stands for ‘Choose the right’ so it reminds us to follow always the Lord’s commandments, which I think identifies a diciple of Christ better than any symbol.

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    • paarsurrey Says:

      Paarsurrey says:

      Hi friend Markparker

      I am happy to hear that the Mormon Christians don’t use Cross that killed an innocent Jesus as a symbol for their faith. Cross is a symbol of cruelty and terror; better not to use it.

      I however respect the Catholics and Prontestants and their faith; it is their right to believe and act as they are truly convinced with.

      I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Moses and his mother.

      Thanks

      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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