Paarsurrey continues discussion with Hank Kimball; one may view his comments:
@ Hank Kimball – hankhercules@gmail.com
Hi friend
It will be easy to read and comprehend if you kindly divide your write ups in paragraphs.
I don’t agree with you that god has created us human beings for His own enjoyment; nevertheless you can have your own opinion freely.
No doubt we have to please Him; which means we should do things which he thinks are good for us.
I say this as it is reasonable and also as He has mentioned this in Quran- the Truthful Word Revealed in its pristine form:
[21:18] If We had wished to find a pastime, We would surely have found it in what is with Us if at all We were to do such a thing.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=21&verse=17
He says that had he needed any pastime or enjoyment, he would have done it at His own end.
I agree with your experience of Bible; it has lost the original word revealed from the Creator God and what we have now is only translation after translation. Bible does not mention truly what was revealed on Moses.
The same is true of Vedas; being old and ancient is no criterion of having the truthful contents. Vedas have also lost the truth revealed on Krishna.
Thanks for your input.
What is this word “Krsna” mentioned in your post? Do you mean Krishna; the truthful messenger prophet of the Creator God sent to Hindus in India> Please
December 4, 2011 at 7:29 pm |
Krsna is the correct or original spelling of it. I am curious as to why you do not know that. It is the spelling in the Vedas; especially Bhagavad Gita; the most common. And Krsna is God; not a messenger of God. Yes; I had forgotten I had switched sites when sending my replies. The site I am most commonly on does not post my blog or reply the way I type it.
Listen. I know the things I have said are blunt. If you desire to get others to see what you believe as valid; you will have to do with conviction. Quoting scripture is all very nice; but if that is all you base your beliefs on, you will never be effective.
Your argument is weak. Just because you believe what you read to be true; convinces no one of it’s validity.
This is all discussion of theology. Understanding or believing theology isn’t useful in it self. Anyone can read a book and convey it.
In my 25 years of service and experience with God and relationships with others I have come to a lot of understanding and conviction in a visceral way.
The problem you have here is that you have no experience with God; and it shows.
Correcting anyone misspelling a word is petty. Everybody misspells a word now and then, so what? How does that serve a useful purpose in God’s universe ? You knew exactly who Krsna spelled. That is dishonest. It smacks of resentment. Also your lack of humility to one with much more experience and practical insight tells me you are also young and relatively new at learning the things you state are true.
You haven’t a relationship with God because these are the fundamental road blocks in selfishness that are discovered; and one becomes conscious of, on the journey to Him. Why do you think there is such a thing as not believing in God ? Or why do you think so many believe such fundamentally different things about God or theology ? This is because we are not born conscious of Him. We hear about Him first through outside sources, i.e. other people instead of ourselves.
If one has no other reference to draw from or experience with God; other peoples ideas, that they have neatly rationalized and explain very nicely is what one will subscribe to. As humans we are not as “free-willed” as you might think.
The only way one can have faith and an understanding of God is by experience. You can’t get God by reading a book or just showing up in church. I am sure you can agree. The only way to experience God is to first discover what your selfishness and fear look like in the past (before this moment) and how and where they manifest in your thinking mind. These are the things BASED or incorrect thinking and pure illusion that Block all of us from God..
You know I could help you to experience God; but you don’t want that. No, you want me to think you got it all together, and what would I be thinking about you if you admitted that God is only in your head. Do you know what it would mean? It would me you had the courage that most people never experience. It would mean you are a man that truly wants to grow in the image and likeness of his Creator. That’s ALL it would mean. Stop spreading your confusion and negative spiritual energy. Aren’t you tired of only thinking you are effective? I am sure nobody else is going to tell you this; but you see I am not into God for the talking about Him to no end. There are 2 people in my life. Those that have a practical understanding of God and their constitutional position with God in relationship ( not just self-realized) and those that want that. I have no time to waste debating or “sharing” about theology with you. That is enough. To continue or to say your opinion is valid is wrong, when I know the truth. That would be one of the most harmful things I could do; just because it “sounds” nicer to “have an open mind or love and tolerance of what others believe.” Those are rationalizations out of apathy and ignorance. That is the same thing as saying it is ok for one to spread around that women don’t get pregnant; men do.. How long would I keep exposing my ears to that useless chatter ?
You see the only way to God is through the illusions of the mind body to the self or soul. That is God. And; the only way I have experienced and all that I know have experienced is, by one who has already experienced it. We need a flashlight. It isn’t about putting someone on a pedestal or him being “the answer man” or ‘the man’. It is a flashlight into the confusion and out onto your consciousness. You already possess the answers that bring self-realization or God-consciousness. This is why you will not get to God by any outside means. He is not in any book.
This is why there are as many understandings or misunderstandings of meditation, spirituality; and especially God and the soul. You would think that if there is one God than there would by A common route to Him. But no, there is not. What else can people do with no actual experience with God but accept and tolerate what others believe.? People call that being spiritual. It is not. But people really have no conviction and are more afraid of what you will think of them than tell you that you don’t know; even some of my friends THAT KNOW the truth won’t make waves. Everybody wants to be nice or their afraid that there insistence will appear less than spiritual. If getting to God does not hurt your pride and shatter your ego than something is WRONG. Because these are the things that hinder our growth spiritually. Religion is man made. Spirituality is God given. Statement like I have made here, at one time I would consider them arrogant and assuming. Every true spiritual guide cannot afford to not be direct with plain spoken observation in discussions of God to the uninitiated. To be less is ego. Ego is what one thinks others think and trying to control it. So to not be blunt would be me trying to make you like me instead of attracted to the truth. That is wrong. So once again; and more frankly; unless you are willing to follow some simple instructions here, we have no business together. If not; please do not respond. I made that clear before. All you do, no matter what the content; by responding you convey that you do not respect me and are only waiting to say what you think. There’s another symptom of a lack of humility. People are what they do; not what they say.
December 5, 2011 at 12:28 pm |
Hank Kimball wrote:
Paarsurrey says:
Thanks for clarifying that Krsna or Krishna are the same.
To believe that Krishna or Krsna was god is as wrong as those who believe that Jesus was god.
Nevertheless, you have your own free will as do the Christians who believe that Jesus was god.
Do you believe that Jesus was god?
Thanks for your input here.
December 5, 2011 at 12:38 pm |
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