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	<title>Comments on: Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross &#8211; Sura 4:157-158 explains</title>
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	<description>I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim</description>
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		<title>By: paarsurrey</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi peaceful Christian!

First I would like to say, please don’t mind my opinion, that this is only a story or a mythical theological philosophy invented by Paul at Rome that Jesus died on the Cross. His entire philosophy is woven on this sigle point, to which he allured the Christians. Paul was not a witness to the event of crucifixion but he was smart at imagination; in any case this is not Word of revelation from the mouth of GodAllahYHWH and hence it should be seen in that perspective. A myth cannot be tested in a scientific lab, it has to be analysed systematically.

If a man is badly injured, and a good medicine is immediately available and the man is treated well; no wonders one gets cured. Please go to a hospital and see for yourself.It daily happens.
It is ointment of Jesus and Jesus’ prayers at the garden that healed injuries inflicted on Jesus on Cross.

Please don’t take it personally; we are just searching for truth.

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi peaceful Christian!</p>
<p>First I would like to say, please don’t mind my opinion, that this is only a story or a mythical theological philosophy invented by Paul at Rome that Jesus died on the Cross. His entire philosophy is woven on this sigle point, to which he allured the Christians. Paul was not a witness to the event of crucifixion but he was smart at imagination; in any case this is not Word of revelation from the mouth of GodAllahYHWH and hence it should be seen in that perspective. A myth cannot be tested in a scientific lab, it has to be analysed systematically.</p>
<p>If a man is badly injured, and a good medicine is immediately available and the man is treated well; no wonders one gets cured. Please go to a hospital and see for yourself.It daily happens.<br />
It is ointment of Jesus and Jesus’ prayers at the garden that healed injuries inflicted on Jesus on Cross.</p>
<p>Please don’t take it personally; we are just searching for truth.</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: j2nice78</title>
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		<description>I have several problems with your assertion that Jesus never died on the cross.

Some of these reasons are better than others:

1. The Romans were professional executioners. They knew what they were doing. They beat Him to the point of collapse even BEFORE driving nails through his hands and feet and raising Him up on the cross. Even Pilate checked to make sure Jesus was dead. The reason they didn&#039;t break His legs is because He was already dead.

2. Let&#039;s forget religious writings for a minute and look at scientific writings - according to the March 21, 1986 edition of the Journal of the American Medical Association, three doctors including a pathologist had this to say:

&quot;Clearly, the weight of historical and medical evidence indicates that Jesus was dead before the wound to his side was inflicted and supports the traditional view that the spear, thrust between his right rib, probably perforated not only the right lung but also the pericardium and heart and thereby ensured his death. Accordingly, interpretations based on the assumption that Jesus did not die on the cross appear to be at odds with modern medical knowledge.&quot;

3. Let&#039;s assume everyone was wrong and Jesus was alive when he went into the tomb, how on earth would a man who was so badly injured and bleeding still be alive thirty-six hours later? He would have bled to death.

4. Even if by some miraculous feat He managed to survive the cross and three days in the tomb, how could someone in the condition He was in get up, unwrap himself, move the two-ton rock UPHILL away from the inside of the tomb, get by the guards unnoticed (who would have been killed for their incompetence), and then convince everyone that He had beaten death? Even if this had happened, He would have been in such bad condition everyone would have pitied Him not worshipped Him and tried to get Him medical help.

5. Multiple non-christian writers confirmed Jesus death, including Josephus, Tacitus, Thallus, and the Jewish Talmud (which is not a Christianity-friendly source).

There is much more evidence than this against your claim, sir. These are just the first things to come to mind. Do you have any evidence to refute these claims other than what is said in the Quran? Do you believe it just because the Quran says so?

Let me be 100% clear here. I do not believe what the bible says just because it says it. I believe it because I have evaluated the evidence and have found it to consistent with what is contained in the bible.

Every religious writing in the world makes truth claims, that is why you have to look at evidence rather than just religious writings.

&quot;Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind.&quot; - Albert Einstein

I am a God-fearing peaceful Christian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have several problems with your assertion that Jesus never died on the cross.</p>
<p>Some of these reasons are better than others:</p>
<p>1. The Romans were professional executioners. They knew what they were doing. They beat Him to the point of collapse even BEFORE driving nails through his hands and feet and raising Him up on the cross. Even Pilate checked to make sure Jesus was dead. The reason they didn&#8217;t break His legs is because He was already dead.</p>
<p>2. Let&#8217;s forget religious writings for a minute and look at scientific writings &#8211; according to the March 21, 1986 edition of the Journal of the American Medical Association, three doctors including a pathologist had this to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;Clearly, the weight of historical and medical evidence indicates that Jesus was dead before the wound to his side was inflicted and supports the traditional view that the spear, thrust between his right rib, probably perforated not only the right lung but also the pericardium and heart and thereby ensured his death. Accordingly, interpretations based on the assumption that Jesus did not die on the cross appear to be at odds with modern medical knowledge.&#8221;</p>
<p>3. Let&#8217;s assume everyone was wrong and Jesus was alive when he went into the tomb, how on earth would a man who was so badly injured and bleeding still be alive thirty-six hours later? He would have bled to death.</p>
<p>4. Even if by some miraculous feat He managed to survive the cross and three days in the tomb, how could someone in the condition He was in get up, unwrap himself, move the two-ton rock UPHILL away from the inside of the tomb, get by the guards unnoticed (who would have been killed for their incompetence), and then convince everyone that He had beaten death? Even if this had happened, He would have been in such bad condition everyone would have pitied Him not worshipped Him and tried to get Him medical help.</p>
<p>5. Multiple non-christian writers confirmed Jesus death, including Josephus, Tacitus, Thallus, and the Jewish Talmud (which is not a Christianity-friendly source).</p>
<p>There is much more evidence than this against your claim, sir. These are just the first things to come to mind. Do you have any evidence to refute these claims other than what is said in the Quran? Do you believe it just because the Quran says so?</p>
<p>Let me be 100% clear here. I do not believe what the bible says just because it says it. I believe it because I have evaluated the evidence and have found it to consistent with what is contained in the bible.</p>
<p>Every religious writing in the world makes truth claims, that is why you have to look at evidence rather than just religious writings.</p>
<p>&#8220;Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind.&#8221; &#8211; Albert Einstein</p>
<p>I am a God-fearing peaceful Christian</p>
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		<title>By: paarsurrey</title>
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